I really want to use Viking. I've already invested in it. It has more armor than Hunter, for what that's worth. I think Tanki has confused things by making Viking an early M3 unlock and Hunter M3 a later one. That makes their stock armor stats closer than they would be if they unlocked at the same rank. I kinda wish Hunter unlocked first. As it is, I'm tempted by Hunter's speed, but outside of obvious kit buyers, I don't see many people using Hunter. I am going to stick with Viking. I might break out Hunter for CTF now and then.

^Atlas Go Prometheus. Rail goes on sale a lot, so you can pick it up one off

I'll go half way in this one. As a Rico M3 user, damage is low and only becomes okay when you get a good number of MUs in... Like 10/50. The bounce on the other hand is just crazy good. The auto aim in particular. Hit any wall with enemies in the area and that ball of fire will find someone to hit. Much easier and more accurate than firing Rico over open ground. Then there is reflective cornering... That ball will smack you back in the face nine times out of ten, regardless of what angle your tank is at with respect to the corner. Call that the dark side of the bounce. So no, Rico does not need a damage nerf. Bounce and reflective auto-aim, maybe.

M4 is good for sneezing hornets and wasps right off the top of your building. .

Actually Mammy M2 is pretty good until about Fieldmarshal, when M3 starts showing up.

Mine too

I believe it! I'm starting to think Vampire kit was a mistake. The Mary paint is useless and the Wasp M1 is not that fast, very fragile, and extremely sluggish on acceleration. I bought Firebird M1 and found that it does MUCH more damage than Isida, but you do sacrifice self healing, which stinks. But Im just not sure Isida M1 and M2 for that matter are competitive. Enough complaints. I did make it to Warrant Officer 1 and rank to Warrant Officer 2 in a week.

I'd be wary of Fortress. That M3 Thunder will be good for a few ranks then get less competitive as more players get it and other M3 turrets. Thunder is all about kill stealing. You have to be the one to get the last shot in in an already weakened tank, otherwise you are just helping someone else get a kill. There are a LOT of M3 Thunders in games north of Brigadier rank. You will have a lot of competition for kills. Said another way Thunder M3 cannot spawn kill unless you invest in a lot of drugs which will eventually get expensive. Think about that. Now think about M4. Thunder M4 is one of the most improved and least expensive M4 upgrades in the game. I won't say don't get Thunder. I will say that M3 is disappointing... You need to invest in M4 to get the beast you are looking for. The bottom line is that I would buy Thunder outside of the kit on sale and use the crystals you save on MUs .

I've expanded my M4 ROI analysis. Turret Min-M3 Min-M4 Max-M3 Max-M4 Min-Impr Max-Impr Min-% Max-% Crystals C per % Shaft 221.8 280 221.8 280 58.2 58.2 26.24% 26.24% 802250 30,574 Railgun 108.9 133 164.9 199 24.1 34.1 22.13% 20.68% 875000 39,538 Hammer 89.7 111.3 89.7 111.3 21.6 21.6 24.08% 24.08% 875000 36,337 Freeze 63.2 80 63.2 80 16.8 16.8 26.58% 26.58% 802250 30,180 Thunder 58.6 78 87.1 110 19.4 22.9 33.11% 26.29% 765750 23,130 Firebird 64.9 72 64.9 72 7.1 7.1 10.94% 10.94% 984500 89,992 Isida 51.2 66 51.2 66 14.8 14.8 28.91% 28.91% 765750 26,491 Vulcan 52.2 60 52.2 60 7.8 7.8 14.94% 14.94% 948000 63,443 Smoky 37.4 44 47.5 56 6.6 8.5 17.65% 17.89% 911750 51,666 Ricochet 28.3 32 33.8 38 3.7 4.2 13.07% 12.43% 984500 75,301 Twins 14.4 17 17.7 21 2.6 3.3 18.06% 18.64% 911750 50,497 Sorry that didn't format better, but the data is pretty clear that Thunder and Isida are good M4 investments. Take that with a grain of salt with Thunder though since I'm not sure the M4 is good enough for battle. Isida is a no brainier... A crazy killer.

M4 seems a bit more about bragging rights than results. That said, Hammer does gain a lot of damage and impact between M3 and M4, so I would say go for it and let us know how it plays.

Has anyone done a M4 ROI comparison? Meaning which turrets give you the most % improvement between M3 and M4, then factor in the price of M4. Isida looks very good but I wonder if there is official research. Here is what I have done so far. Ricochet- 13% damage improvement for 985k crystals Hammer- 24% damage improvement for 875k crystals Isida- 28% damage improvement for 766k crystals Twins- 18% damage improvement for 912k crystals I know other turret attributes change with the new MU system, but damage is the important one IMO. Just looking at the above, Isida is the clear winner. Most improved for the lowest overall cost. Add in the fact that Isida is an early M3 and it becomes more and more attractive. .

So what do you think that means for Tanki X? After all, why roll out an addiction hook for TO unless TX is a lot farther off than we've been led to believe. Edit Missions are so weird. I've been hanging on to a 3 hour Premium Account reward for a couple of days now. I just haven't had that kind of time to play. I may have inadvertently tricked Tanki into giving me more. Last night I got both remaining mission rewards as premium. I now have 9 hours of Premium account. Weird. Update- I ground through six hours or Premium Account last weekend. I have three hours left. Saving that for double battle fund day, baby :D .

Yeah, it makes Hornets dance and Wasps pirouette :)

IDK now that I have Rico M3 I don't play Hammer M3 anymore. Knowing exactly what the range and spread of your pellets are will help you decide when to engage and when to seek other enemies, but at the end of the day, this is just not an endgame turret. I checked the rankings leaderboard and it confirmed what I've come to suspect. Gismo belongs to Twins, Firebird, Rail, Isida, and a few very lucky Ricochets.

I have resurrected my Vampire_Medic alt, which now sports M1 Wasp and M1 Isida at Sergeant Major thanks to Vampire kit. Got a 22.0 DL at one point this morning on Serpuhov. It's amazing how different gameplay is around WO1 than it is around General-Marshal. It's easier for an experienced player to do well. On the other hand, it's easy to get frustrated with inexperienced teammates. There are also a LOT more maps in play in those lower ranks. I enjoy that. I get sick of the same old Polygon DM and RIo CTF games, with a little Noise, Serpohov, and Sandbox thrown in. I'd almost forgotten about Alexandrovosk, which has vanished from high rank battles. Same for Year 2042, Desert, and dozen others. .

Yeah, it feels like the game has been getting more difficult ever since the daily missions whiplash. Those few weeks were epic... A deluge of crystals and supplies x3 every day. Then a reduction to a quarter of that and a long string of game changes designed to encourage crystal purchaes for real money and to make those crystals not go very far in the game. I did hear paints are going to change. Then nothing. Now daily missions are changing. Maybe the devs ran into challenges with the paint-protection split. Who knows.

I have noticed that Missions tend to give you what you already have. When you have a lot of crystals and need supplies you get crystals. When you have supplies and need crystals you get supplies. I'd been saving crystals for a kit and was getting a lot more through missions. The day I purchased the kit and got supplies through the kit as a bonus, all missions switched to supplies. Can't be a coincidence...

I would ask that Tanki consider lowering the prices of paint MUs. Players would spend more crystals if these were more affordable. At current pricing, players MU paints not at all or in the best case AFTER they have spent wisely on KITS, turrets, hulls, and MUs of these. Paint MU pricing needs to be better aligned with the ROI.

I've resigned myself to the new system for turrets and hulls. For paint, it's just ridiculous. Turrets are a sum of parameters which taken together improve the performance of a single item - your weapon. Same for hulls, which improve your specific tank. Paints are a loose collection of unrelated protections, the sum of which is completely meaningless. Their protections should remain separate. I know the same argument can and has been made for turrets and hulls, but I'm over it.

Yep... Doing that, and should have Rico M3 up to 12/50 in short order. i think I will continue to invest in Viking and only break out Hunter when I need speed

Isn't it the ONLY support gun in Tanki? I guess Vulcan and Thunder qualify. Freeze too for that matter. LOL.. all the second class turrets. Except Hammer, which is a terrible defender and requires a lot of skill and planning for offense. YMMV

I saw your question in group chat earlier. Love the kit!

MU prices on paints are completely outrageous now. If Tanki wants crystal revenue they need to lower these prices... By at least 50%. After the first few steps, the ROI is so infinitesimal I can't imagine anyone spending their earned or bought crystals. Tanki economy would consume more crystals by lowering the prices and thus encouraging players to MU. As it is, upgrading paint is probably the biggest waste of crystals in the game, and I doubt anyone is doing it until and unless they have filled their garage and buffed their turrets and hulls. Even then, those crystals are better saved for the next new feature or sale. End of rant.

I feel like I have come home. I love Rico M3, even at stock values. My first battle resounded with cries of "OMG RICO!!!" and "KILLING ME!" Bringing this turret into DeathMatches against ranks all the way down to Major is just cruel... I'm starting to MU now. Don't worry folks... I'm not going to post and whine about every MU :)

LOL thanks! I now have both Hunter AND Viking at M3. Which should I MU to M4 and why?