rip Tankiyou mean. Buyers will not buy if all they can do is play against other buyers.

I am furious. Just want everyone to know that going in. I am a new player - maybe 2 months. At first I just played I did not care about Cry or anything. Just the fight. Eventually I calmed down and developed a long-term development strategy. After squandering a lot of my early Cry I was going to save up for the Northerner kit. I believe in supporting a gaming company for a god product. I had spent a LOT of hours playing so I did not mind spending a few dollars on premium memberships. I know about online grinding so I grinded to Captain saving my Cry all the way. On Saturday I finally reached that CPT rank. You have to understand: this was my first long term strategic goal, finally reached after hundreds of hours of play. (I run alts too.) I went to the garage and there was no Northerner kit! There were a couple close ones. There was one I wanted for my alt - the exact one I wanted for my alt. But not the one I had worked for. I went on chat and a Helper assured my the Northerner kit would be available this week after teh rotatoin. I asked him two, three time if he was sure. He was cheerful and said he was very certain. I am not easy to convince. So the next day I did the same thing. This time 3-4 helpers were on chat. Everyone who answered assured me my kit would be available after the rotation. So even though I was a bit disappointed, hey, I had something to look forward too on Weds night. It's Weds night now. I do know I mentioned I am furious. I log on after the update and - no kits on my alt. Or my other alt. Or on my Main. There is no Northerner kit for me to buy! Well, not in the garage. But by coincidence I can buy it for $36 in the Shop Thirty-badword-six badword-in-gerund-form dollars for what I just earned through game play. Tanki must think I am stupid. Or was born yesterday. What I know is, they do not know one damn thing about marketing to gamers. Dear Reader, for anyone who has read this far ... just what odds do you place on me forking over $36 to buy what I expected to get for a mouse click last Saturday? Just what odds do you place on me spending another kopek on this game? What odds do yo place on me abandoning this game, and mounting a vigorous bad-mouthing campaign through every review and social media outlet I can find? So the one shred of hop I have is that some people are correct here, that this is a software bug of some sort. If not, it is the most stunning display of marketing ineptness since New Coke.

Amen. I love big maps like that, where there's ample room for maneuver. :)

I do not want to come off a Negative Ned. I really enjoy good games of Tanki. But I am frustrated by its economic system. I think it (lust for massive amounts of Crystals) forces players into over-using certain maps like Poly and Noise. that's too bad because Tanki has some simply great maps. But it is so hard to get a good competitive game at your rank on anything but a scant handful of these wonderful maps. I also want to go oon the record that I feel a good game deserves financial support. I have spent a bit more than $10 (mostly priemium passes) in exchange for hundreds of hours of play. Quite the deal. About a third of my money goes to Gold Boxes. This is a nice thing. Players like it and buying them gives the buyer no real in-game edge. It is a way to get some revenue to Tanki in a good-sportsman way. I just want to take the effort to say my comments are made with the view of both good game-play and good financial footing for the company. Not just complaining. ;) Here's the danger I see Tanki is running. It is in the danger of competing with itself. Its offering the dame in-game items for both cash and the in-game currency. But since the in-game currency is also available for cash, we can set a cash value on that too. Add to this a variety of sales and discount opportunities, and the savvy shopper has ample opportunities to get the most for the money. Add atop this the overwhelming in-game power of "drugs". They dominate game play, pure and simple, OK, where am I going with this? Math time. Drug kits cost 20 dollars US. For the same money you can - if you wait for the very common 2x card - buy 90,000 Cry. That means 100,000Cry cost $22.22, Flipped on its head that means roughly 4,500 Cry per Dollar spent. These are a handy values to keep in mind when shopping for other items at the Tanki Shop and Garage. $22 buys 100,000 Cry. One dollar buys 4,500Cry A Northerner kit costs 193,000 Cry ($42.88 dollar value). Ir you can buy it in the Shop for $36. Clearly the Shop is the better deal here. Flipped on its head that is a value of 5,361 Cry per dollar spent. Of course you can get a better rate for Crystals s lets assume you are a big spender who can drop $100 for 716,000 Cry. That is a payback of 7,160 Cry per dollar spent. That is even better than the value of buying the Northerner kit directly. So for the big-spender he gets his Northerner kit buy buying Crystals, then using Cry to buy hit kit. For the big spender, it costs a nickle under $27 to buy his Northerner. So what about that 1,500 Drug Package? The Cry value of this item is found as follows. 1,500 x (150+50+50+50+50) = 525,000 Cry. But the 100 item Kit is in the garage is always available at a 50% discount/ So the true Cry value of the 1,500 item kit is 262,500 Cry. For a cost of $20 that means the buyer is getting a value of 13,125 Cry per dollar spent. The very best Cry value any other way is the $100 Cry purchase with a value of 7,160/$1 spent. Buying the drug kit is a value of 13,125 Cry / $1 spent. That is a +183% Rate of Return on my Gaming dollar. That;s if I am a big-spender. If I am buying at the same $20 per transaction rate I am getting only 4,500 Cry for my dollar. That means buying a $20 Drug Kit is a three time (292%) better value for the money than is buying $20 worth of Cry directly. Three times! Conclusion? The longer this situation remains the more and more buying patters will settle into this rut: Plauers will buy nothing in the shop but 1,500 drug kits. Nothing else. Tehre is no better way to spend your money. Everything else can be bought with Cry. After all, even big real-dollar spenders will have to use their in-game Cry on something. Why not use cash for drugs and Cry for everything else? So Tanki is competing with itself. All those points, premium passes, kits. Crystals, all that does not matter. The only item in that Shop is the 1,500 drug kit. Buy one or quit when you run out or repair kits. Because drug buyers get Repair kits at three times the rate any non-buyer player ever. This current economic model assures an end-game of non-stop drug use by a shrinking player base. My guess is there is an assumption at Tanki that offering all these new items will open up new streams of revenue. They should think twice. There is every chance in the world that they will just channel their existing income into 1,500 Drug Kits. No more good-sportsman Gold Boxes - that cash has to go for the green, red, brown, and yellow boxes of mine.

Seriously though, no matter what you feel about the alterations system... there simply must be an option to pay Crystals to buy rents not just cash money.

1 Alt has been released for each turret. Most of these alts are for m1 versions. The fire turret I know is for the m2 version. So only your m2+{ turrets will see alts options; m2+_ for fire (and perhaps others i dunno that much)

Impact force is useful, it can help you win a 1:1 .. but it is secondard to damage and always will be. No points or Crys are awarded for throwing off the other guy's aim. No points are given for making the other gal topple over the side and self-destruct.

I already addressed that nonsense about these alterations being neutral in terms of performance. As I said, that is simply a lie. The Thunder alteration is a 6.1% increase in dps. Players will not pay these prices unless they thnnk it will make their tank more dangerous on the battlefield. AS for Parkpour. I am not impressed, my appolgies. Those represent less than 1% of all games played. I personally see no point to Parkpour. So I am not impressed that other turreets get options useful in all game, and Smokey is offered an option useful in 1% of the games. But I am sure the rest of the Tanki community will start to realize all this before too long

Name me one (non-heal) turret players desire to use because it improves defense. You can't, because the game is about destroying the other tank. If I am asked to pay 50k to lower my damage I had better be getting a big benit in return. +27% in impact force does not do it. Not close. Heavier hulls won't even notice it much. Vulcans will not notice it at all. But they will enjoy not having to suffer crit hits. I get exp and Crys for damaging or destroying the enemy tank. I do not get points for throwing off its aim. I do not get points for knocking it off a Madness ramp so that it self-destructs. I am not going to pay 50k Crys for something that will earn me FEWER Crys in future. These alterations seem designed to nerf Smoky, without them coming out and actually saying so. It is a nerf relative to other turrets. Other turrets get alterations that improve performance. Smoky gets "alterations" that make it worse. (Yes, Tanki is lying when they say alterations do not improve performance)

Well, I am never suprized at young America's utter lack of mathematical skills. A 6% increase is huge compated to the 10s of thousands of Crystals spent on things like MU steps --- each step buying a slight fraction of a single percent. Yet players invest in MUs, looking for that edge. Because that is what game players do - they look for an edge. Not only that you are making a comment completely out of context. When Smokey takes an 18% damage reduction, and Thunder goes up by 6%, that is a relative change of 29.3%. If you think players will not notice this in their game play well then . . .

This change is not the paint change. Just because you did not see much in the paint change does not mean this time you wont see much difference either. There's no thought behind such a claim. I know I selected my prtoction modules based on what is a difficult matchup for my hull/turret combo. And no, I do not own every protection module. Not every player is in your position of owning everything ... and we count as cutomers too. It's noit just about you.

I should clarify: I meant expect massive changeds in your gameplay experience. The turrets you used to find most annoying might lose their status to even more annoying 'altered' turrets. The protection modules you thought you neded might not be the one you do need. But the devs changing thier design? No I do not expect that toi be massive, if any/

The change to Smoky is not at all zero-sum. You sacrifice 15%+ damage and more as your turret upgrades. In exchange you get more impact effect. That is a trade-off not zero-sum. The impact change will make Wasp life hell and annoy hornets but I go not think it will annoy the heavy hulls. But the heavy hulls will enjoy th lack of critical hits. I dunno. This game is all about blowing up the other tank. It is asking a lot to give up damage.

Pls get your maths right, Rail has no damage increase at all! This is based of a screenshot someone posted here. That info said max damage was -15%, min dam was+23%. The average of this is +4%. If the screenshot was wrong then my calculation is wrong.

If IYO damage output means nothing, then I don't think we can agree on anything. Any "alteration" that is deemed to be more useful than the original version will become the version the vast majority of players use. That is how gamers operate, backed by decades of observation. So saying a variation is "optional is really misleading. The more powerful option becomes the version you will see in actual combat.

I don't think these have been balanced at all. Thunder gets a 6.25% damage increase. Rail gets a 4% damage increase Smokey gets a 16% and up damage DEcrease. The impact on the exixting game balance is completely unpredictable. But the future does not look good for smokey players. And that trio of protections you used to need? Get readt to need a new trio due to these alterations. Massive changes to follow.

If this is indeed the strategic vision then I am much encouraged. Much encouraged. I fully support paying Tanki some money to support their game and their jobs. Lately I bought a couple weeks of preimium membership and a few gold boxes to give some support. Now I wish I'd saved that money, threw in another ten bucks, and bought 1500 supplies. That's what I mean about Tanki not thinging through the impact of this change on the economic status quo. What worries me is so many companies seem to go the route of pay-more to win-more. I do not like those games. That is why I like the gold box. I can support the game with some revenue, without affecting game balance at all. Tanki should consider if players will stop buyinh gold boxes (6) and instead put that money now to buying supplies 1-5 instead.

This post says it all. I am so glad I found it, because now I don't have to write up similar observations myself. It deserves to be reposted in this thread. These latest introductions into the shop seem to me an omen of desperation at Tanki. They must be desperate to raise money because these new item prices destroy the existing dollar-value of crystals. They have not thought things through.

We have our answer ... the 1500 kit is outrageously cheap compared to crystals. Get ready to see mines everywhere and - most significantly of all - repair kit use will be commonplace. Gentlemen and ladoies, prepare your wallets.

Yeah upon further thought I think this change has the possibility to make the game more enjoyable. But that depends on where the price points are set. Undortunately in my limited time playing I get the sense the company tries to get s few high-paying customers instead of a much lager player base where the income from players is spread out more. What I am saying is, I expect the company will encourage buying drugs for actual currency.

I am glad I am not the only one who realizes this. If enough do maybe it can be reversed. Because I am not glad about the change, if this is indeed the situation. It is not a good trend.

Drugi Online ... of course! How did I miss that? Seriously though... the #1 thing you hear players complain about is the way drugs dominate battles. Yet the devs do not do anything to alieiate a very unpopular aspect of their game. Do the no understand that by driving away players they are NOT improving their revenues? Facepalm.

Imaginateive idea that has potential. IMO

I figured there had to be a map named Kursk what with it being Russian-owned. :) Thanks for all your map-making efforts. The maps are a strength of the game.

I did look at your profile* and it looks like my alt BrittleWillie is walking down a similar path. But without the Railgun. :) (*In the 1930s this comment would be considered quite risque.)