I have to admit tis over-buff of Freeze is having a substantial negative impact on game enjoyment. Every game is fighting off waves of freeze rushes one after the other. See it almost every game now. It is the same issue with magnum. It makes every game pay the same it makes one turret matter more than any other and it make playing this game B O R I N G.

IIRC the patch notes said impact was decreased slightly not increased.

TO said in announcing Jugger that their desire was to create a 2nd DM-style mode. Turning Jugger mode into one team against the Jug would undo TO's intent for this mode. Just let the player base mess with the mode for a couple-few weeks before reaching conclusions pm long-term fixes. Freeze has been in effect awhile now. And that is proving to be the fiasco everyone predicted. What was TO thinking turning its DPS dial up to 11? I am getting tired of seeing freezes in every damn game. The new Magnum.

I played a few games now. First game was OK. I did get the Jug once and managed a few kills.Just long enough to s figure out how to use each weapon. Second game was not fun. Didn't even see the Jug but twice, on Wolfenstein. Third game I was put right back on Wolfenstein. The though bored me so I left. IMO: It's better than DM. Unlike DO it might actually be worth playing from time to time. Fund payouts were good even halving to correct for the ongoing event. I did not see Freeze mobs in these games but yeah they are everywhere now for SOME reason. I don't think that is a JN issue though.

I am talking about the player base not just on e or two individuals. In any game community there are things generally accepted as truth. Contrary points of view are geneally dismissed because they do not fit the accepted norms. This is just human nature not something unique to TO.

You played the literal definition of Most Passive Playstyle. You exposed yourself to no danger and could play that with one hand and watching TV. So you got last place. Seems like a damn good system to me.

This report and the other Freeze-Fest reports have me thinking JN mode is the new Poly CP mindless destruction orgy with a twist. Instad of spawning and rushing to the center to die it is spawn and rush the Jugger to die. Rinse and repeat. I hope we're not going to see 80% of the games go JN from now on. But I'll not be surprised if that's what happens.

I know what is going on. I am up against institutionalized "common wisdom". In this game for years players just talk about kits, which ones they like, which ones they plan to buy. It is just the accepted way of doing things. The problem is the "CW" goes back unchanged for several years but meanwhile the rules have changed. Every so often it is shrewd to take a step back and review the things you "are sure" you know. But a few ppl typing on the forum wil not change CW. So thre's a bit of a frustration element I left irk me at times. :)

Well since my entire comment is based on this scenario I obviously agree it can be done. That is is INEFFICIENT to so it would be my point. Every single posting on this forum told me my plan was wrong, kits were teh only way to go, and my life would be hell between Brigdier and Marshal because I didn't have an m3 kit to MU on up. In reality this period of time turned out to be the easiest time I have had in the game since I started. My hypothesis as to why is this: for the first time I had a full set of modules and they were MU'ed strongly. My module capability more than made up for the slight difference between m3 and m3+.Then befor eI knew it I was Marshal myself. Today I have better module protections at Marshal than many Legends seem to have. But as I said, everyone has their own game. If other players insist on handicapping themselves that it their choice. All I can do is offer to help. Because when I log on to the game today, tomorrow, and next month, I will then play TO. That, and I cannot spend TO Crystals anywhere else.

If you don't have enough Supplies to compete the problem is you not the game. Every player who does missions has enough Supplies to compete.

To the ppl wondering why other turrets were not changed. Well, I hope this is just a matter of time. TO made changes to two turrets. They let the changes run for a couple weeks. Now they are changing two more. Maybe we will see this repeated every two weeks. Many time TO was urged to make balance changes in stages instead of so much at once. Maybe TO bought into that suggestions. I don't know but maybe right? As many posted TO still has work to do in the balance department. Maybe they agree on that too.

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It does not seem that way to me. Drones are an entire new category of item for the old "got-it-all" player. I can't think of anything comperable for newbies. But ask enough people and you will get every answer in the book. MM is in the game because that is how modern games are organized. Most of the player base has gotten past the predictions of horror and disaster and is now fine with it. There will always be people blaming MM for all ills. Just like there will always be people blaming "Druggers" for all their ills. Dead-end-despair -or- move on / game on.... every player's choice.

Juggernaught is not part of the game.

Ghaaaa. I just bought a couple mu steps then I saw the announcement like 30 minutes later. Oh well I sisn't waste too terribly much it just sux. Heh oh well.

Yes I agree. I was talking about new accounts making long term plans/. Older accounts have to deal with the sistuation they find themselves in. I addressed that. Buying a kit does noting for you. You must spend 400k+ on the kit that amount again on MU steps RIGHT AWAY or else buying your kit two ranks earlier obtains exactly ZERO perforrmance boost. Z-E-R-O. You cannot state that spending 750k+ on a REDUNDANT hull/turret is not going to have a sever impact on other investments. An account will get a larger performance boost in spreading out their investments not in buying a redundant hull/turret combo. People who put their faith in kits are betting everything they have on getting gear unlocked two ranks earlier. That's all you get from a kit. EVERYTHING else is a negative. For that you have to starve investments in all other aspects of the garage and when the big rank up day arrives .... it might be two more months before the kit is available for purchase in the Garage. That's no way to plan. But by all means... everyone must play their own game. If aiming for Second Place is the goal, the Kits are teh way to go.

You do not understand. At low levels a CH does something like +50% damage above normal. At m4 a CH does something like +30% above normal. The CH become less and less significant the higher up you rank. So this issue you feel is so significant goees away by itself once you have gained a small amount of experience and rank. The 2nd thing I suspect you do not understand is an m1 Smoky can have several mu steps on it. A full m1+10 steps is extremely powerful compared to m0 or m1 gear with no MU. Your proposal would chance Smoky into a weapon with the same range limitations as Hammer with a DPS of about 40%. You may as well just ask for Smoky to be removed from the game. The vast majority of players see Smoky as slightly underpowered if anything. So your proposal here is simply not going to happen... for many many reasons. But it was a good discussion and that's valuable in itself.

The points might be rather close together. Even 20 m aprat would mean fl;ag carriers could feint and juke defendes who are trying to physically block them. There's something to think about here. ASL needs something. On some maps it is utterly farcical. Kungur for instance has the defenders on a high point. There are few vantage points to sweep this high point and mine-able access routes. So defenders mass around the flag, generally safe, while the attackers arrive piecemeal. This is assured by three widely spaced flag points. Red attackers will always arrive in groups of 1-3 and get slammed. Then it is a long drive to try again. Osa is almost a clone. Plenty of other maps rarely have good games. But good games are to be had. Some of the closest nailbiters have been ASL. Overall the ratio of fun : yuck games is not where you want it. Something needs to be done.

Yes though you do not need to keep the drone equipped the whole 10 minutes. But the bottom line is still Drones are hugely expensive to own and operate. If you ar not a buyer you have to pick your moment very carefully. Right now it looks like I will be MUing my Drones up only on 50% sales so that will take a long time. I might own them for 6 or 8 months before I even use them. Most seem to have minimal effect until they get a dozen mu steps at least. Until then the Batteries pile up.

Glad someone got some use out if it. BTW I just bought Engineer a couple days ago with the same account that abandoned Driver. But I am out of money ATM so Engineer is still only at mu=2. Even so II will give it a est drive here soon. Yes I am finding these things are tough to evaluate and compare. In general though remember Drones do not make your tank stronger. Most of their effect is to give you the DA/DD/SB effect without using your Supplies stash so mch. But no matter how you got DD active DD is DD. So how much will a Drone really help? I am starting to think they will really only be powereful in clan war type settings.

nm^^^

He must think 1 Battery is used each recycle period. i.e. every 5 seconds of 20 Batteries / minute. :P Something tells me he means Engineer's the least battery-efficient drone. Me? I don't care about drones one bit. Overpriced and largely useless. For me, at least. If that is what he meant he is wrong. That is probably Driver.

I also wonder about the RK thing but the rest is straightforward. Yes, the 5 sec recharge time means it almost always will be ready when you drive over a box. RK = Repair Kit. An RK repairs 1000 HP instantly and up to 3000 more HP over 2 seconds time. I do not understand what adding 2 seconds does though. No tank has so more than 4000HP. (Well.. Juggernaught.) Other is DD/DA/SB. Yes, if you dive over a DD with an mu=0 Engineer drone that DD will last you 50 seconds instead of 30. If the drone is mu=20 that DD will last 1 minute 10 seconds. That is a rather nice boost. Say you are a Shaft sitting on the upper level of Highways on a DD box spot. The DD appears. It last you 70 seconds. You pop one of your DDs. That runs out in 30 more seconds. By then the DD box has poppped back on your spot. You have DD up all game and never have to move. Again, why adding time to the RK does anything I do not understand.

[shrug] It's your loss. I do missions and have thousands and thousands of supplies more than what I use. But if you want to disbelieve the experience of hundreds of players no one can stop you.

Another phresh idea!