*Slowly stares at Railgun and Shaft's damage statistics, even though one is a ballistic projectile being shot at Mach 5+ speeds and the other is presumably the same as a modern MBT cannon with a scope...*

Wait.... People are STILL about the Matchmaking function? LOL Are people really so that they don't realize you can still find battles conventionally without using the system, even after nearly what, 6 months after the matchmaking system was released?

Lol Firebird's still pretty stupid in terms of balance, but no one's looking at Isida... Unless Isida got rebalanced somehow, it's still the highest close range DPS turret in the game. And Twins is still Hold Spacebar to Win TM.

TF2 has remained popular for way longer than any similar game ever should have. WHY is beyond me but I don't think the developers really care. As for Overwatch, it's a game that has one of those 0 to hero back stories that you here about in the game industry from time to time, like Warframe or Ironsight. Actually Warframe's back story is pretty hilarious when you read into it, but I won't bore you with it.

Possibly true, but Maf, this doesn't account for server populations at any given time. Granted, it's pretty hard to find them on google, and collecting averages from all three games is a huge chore, but I can easily find a battle in all three games in the time it takes for me to take a sip of coffee. I think the real problem that's occurring isn't the death throes of the early 2000's MOBA shooters per say, but more the early 2000's MOBAs being put aside with the prospect of better or more entertaining games for casuals. Let's be serious here, all three of Tanki, WoT, and WT have their problems. Tanki pushes players away quickly with the forcing micro transactions and p2w down your throat if you want to have "fun". WoT has problems with neglecting blatant balancing issues (artillery and gold ammunition are the most prominent), and it's not a game built for filthy casuals the average gamer to jump in and instantly be good at. WT has the same problem as WoT, but even more pronounced. You CANNOT be a filthy casual normal player and jump straight into WT's stupidly deep mechanics and instantly know everything. 2 identical things can behave different ways just because the factors were off by a pinch. Let's not forget that all three games have microtransactions, but only Tanki forces them down your throat if you want a chance. WoT says "Sure, you can pay money for a slightly above average premium tank, but all you really get is some increased credit earnings." WT is the same way, granted the M4A3E2 Cobra King is genuinely broken. Sorry, I'm ranting a little. My point is that yes, this genre of games is becoming less popular among the masses, but doesn't appear to be dying out anytime soon.

Alternativa buffed Shaft which is cool and all but they're still neglecting the issue of P2W drugging EVERYWHERE. I remember back when drug cooldown timers got reworked so that you couldn't instantly pop a DA and DD at the same time, and RKs getting nerfed out the ass, but that doesn't mean drugging is fixed. The main issue is the lack of a limitation for people who drug. They can drag their 2-3-4-5k+ stockpiles into battles with no penalty; maybe make it so that they can't use more than 3 of each drug in a match; this places a huge limitation on it and forces you to basically drug strategically instead of "Whups enemy Firebird better pop my DA" every 40 seconds.

Not literally reduced by 1.5 additively, reduced multiplicatively. I'm not sure if the value (60m/s) on the Wiki is the new value or the old one. If it's the old one (pre-nerf) then it'd be 60 / 1.5 = 40m/s, rather than 60 - 90 (1.5x of 60) = -30m/s.

Game was more fun when there were no purchasable supplies... Also, the only reason Shaft oneshots you with max anything is because DD drugs being spammed like candies.

I haven't played in a long while; what have I missed? Did they nerf my Shaft M1 that I stupidly MU'd to M1? I demand a refund if they did. Never mind, I remember why I stopped playing after a single battle drugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugsdrugs Did I mention drugs

You mentioned K/D YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID

So, after a long time off, I have no clue what game balance looks like right now, but I don't care! I have ideas to squeeze out of my brain. Smokey: Cannonade. Turns Smokey into a machine gun B) Reload: -50% Damage: -25% Range: -10% Thunder: CAPS (Chemical Armor Penetrators[Not to be confused with HEAT]). Long range shells with condensed explosive filler designed to penetrate armor. Good for long range operations. Reload: +5% Damage: +10% Range: +100% Splash radius removed Firebird: Compression Tanks. Allows Firebird to fire for twice as long; however, heating rate is reduced by 300% because of compressed napalm jelly. Energy: +100% Heating rate: -300%

And to mark my comeback to the forums after a 1.5yr vacay, I come to see an idea to add an alt called Napalm to firebird.... You realize Firebird FIRES napalm, right? It's in the description?

You're giving him more credibility than he deserves. Always assume that when someone advocates for the retention of statistics for an OP weapon/item they are doing it out of greed or ignorance as they have either obtained the item and become a god in disguise with it or they've never seen it on the battle field. Look at the 205 Brecci shotgun from CoD: BO3. It's brokenly OP, everyone knows this but the community is the only thing stopping the developers from nerfing it into the ground. Another good example is the ASM1 Speakeasy in Advanced Warfare. Broken OP, took months to fix. Why? Because whiners. Just leave the kid. He's some 10 year old who thinks he knows everything. Smh.

Idk about you but at my rank being able to blatantly rent M2s for 5% of their actual price when everyone at my rank has mostly M1s and even M0s? Sounds broken to me.

I was gonna say... Most teams are so numb-brains that a gold will distract everyone giving you ample opportunity to play the objective and win a match. Lol.

That Railgun alt... Oh boi would I abuse the ever living hell out of the ability to essentially double my damage for free without a DD.

I'm sorry, Swift, but I refuse to discuss something with someone who is so adamant in their idea that what they say is correct when there are clearly dozens of other variables that are being totally ignored because 1 situation was described to a T. I truly do apologize but I'm just not going to discuss this topic further. He's too stubborn to see something from multiple angles and appears to think that rank determines how much knowledge you have because "Oh I play with legends and if they see you using a shaft THEY ALL SWITCH TO SHAFT MODULES". Because every Legend rank totally has the time to spend, what is it, nearly 500k on a 50% module? And then they have the funds to spend it on not only one but all 19 non-LGC Shaft modules? To that I say to gtfo of town. Sorry but just... Gah.

Read the edited post, and also he said that the Isida had DD not DA.

When there are more than 1 Isida, there are two thing they will be doing: Forming an Isida train, or, alternatively, soloing far away from each other. I deal with plenty of DA drugging, Shaft protected Isida's at my rank, specifically the Stinger kit cancer. My Shaft is upgraded 2/10, so it can oneshot an M2 light hull that's stock. M2+ however I cannot oneshot if it has protections. This is generally the case. If I see two Stingers on the enemy team and they're in a train, I shoot the one in the rear, then the one in the front panics and I then kill him. If they're far away from each other, on a map like, say, Highways, then I call them by one nickname: Prey. They're incredibly simple to kill due to lack of range, meaning they can't attack you nor heal their allies, and they almost always use light or medium hulls. Oh and if you say "Well what about M2+ medium hulls", I also sit near a DD and make sure there's always one nearby that I can pick it up and kill the sorry bastard crossing my bridges. And you are STILL assuming they all have specifically SHAFT MODULES. The original post said 50% of "whatever the most popular turret is" not specifically "50% Shaft protection"

You're still assuming the entire train has 50% modules. And again, why would you shoot at the head of the train instead of the rear? Call me little again, clown, and you'll lose any and all support from any little group you think you have.

Why are you shooting at the front of the train in the first place? And why are you assuming he'll be running 50% Shaft? Hm? You should always pick off the train starting from the back, or, alternatively, shoot the ones that have no Shaft protection, then the ones with. Use your head moar I dare you

Guess what will kill it though? A DD or an extra arcade shot. Use your head.

Yes, many times. It's called making sure you have a DD pickup before letting him near you lmfao

Now now, no need to be rude. I do agree with him though, we need another scoped weapon or perhaps a modification that can mounted on a turret that allows it to use a rudimentary zoom for like 5k crys.

Pretty much. I also consider Railgun to fall under the same category as the melee turrets because the term "hitscan" as a whole implies that there's 0 delay between shot fired and target hit. Railgun actually has a minor delay, and can miss if not given a bit of lead. But for all intents and purposes, it's essentially hitscan.