It's the way they've done it though. Next time they should tell us 3 months in advance of proposed changes. That way we can alter our buying behaviour and adjust strategies in time for the change while still having time to enjoy recent purchases. I know this has been heated at times but I'm glad you're here making an argument. ;)

Succinct and spot on again!

Thanks, just think of the crystals I wasted on upgrading my m3 hornet and viking to practically m4 status! You have to look at Isida in conjunction with the hulls it was best suited for to see how much this gun has been reduced. i.e, Hornet and Viking. Isida is a close range gun so you need a hull with a good combination of speed and protection to go with it. You say it might have been too good before. Perhaps or perhaps not. It's debatable, all things considered. It wasn't 70% but 70hp restored in one second to your tank. I understand the 5 to 6 seconds and the advantages you get with that change but I picked the self heal parameter on purpose. That's the important one for me. Due to the fact that the popular hulls have had their protection parameters lowered, 50hp/sec is just not enough to survive for any meaningful length of time, even when using supplies. It's no good having 1 extra second to inflict damage and heal if you can't survive 5 seconds anymore. 50hp/sec btw, is fully upgraded m3. It's practically useless for a gun in it's own right. It's now a turret ducking and diving, healers or those sacrificial lambs to the slaughter who don't mind being destroyed for someone else's benefit. My beef isn't just with Isida as you know. It's with the whole picture. The time and money I've spent developing my garage around specific items that I carefully selected due to advertised specifications. Then I find they've been massively changed practically overnight. Tanki should have set dates for rebalances and advertise them constantly. It would be less of a shock to the system when it happens. We 'all know' that Rico is over powered at present. Can you see players going out to buy it now, buying paints to combat it or upgrading existing ones? Will we all get a shock in 2 months time from tanki saying, "Sorry, slight mistake with Rico guys - we're gonna nerf it - like, tomorrow!" Yes, I know that they CAN do what they want but it's hardly fair and decent.

^ I never once said I had a right to anything so you can keep your strawman. I certainly can say things are unfair if I so wish and proffer suggestions or solutions in discussions such as this one, Tanki welcome it. Listen, they want me to play their game right, it's a two way street. Players complained during a sale when nobody could access the site for a day - tanki listened and extended the sale. Players complained about Zeus paint's description - tanki listened and appeased them. Who is to say that tanki won't listen to the many people here? I did say in a previous comment that quoting the EULA won't wash. I'm quite sure they would prefer to keep players happy. Happy players spend money.

I did say in a previous comment that we should have compensation that is proportionate to the loss suffered. I then went on to say that even that would still not be a fair settlement but at least I could accept that tanki were making an effort trying to meet me part of the way. Of course nobody wants to see this game turn stale. I want it to succeed and change is good for the most part but not when players are spending hard earned cash for certain items only for those same items to be weakened without a moments thought or sorry to the buyer! Insult was added to injury when they told us to adapt! Look at the table below (hope I worked the percentages out right - I've had a hard day). I had a fully micro upgraded M3 Isida before the changes. Almost 1 Million crystals was required to fully upgrade it! The self healing used to be 70 per second at a cost of 108,293 cyrstals. It was nerfed by nearly 30%. I would like a 30,941 crystal refund on that parameter alone. Consider all aspects and I'd like 60,000 crystals back. Not nearly enough in my opinion but I'd accept it and move on. I've not worked out the cost for my other turrets and hulls that were also nerfed. If tanki apologised for this and promised they'd take players' garages into account next time they implement a rebalance then I would probably move on but right now I don't have the heart. Once you lose trust in something, it's difficult to regain it.

Interesting. I would have thought they would want to encourage supply use. Let's hope this planned change is fairer and better. If not, they should leave it alone or plan something else.

Let me remind you that you have insulted others in this topic which might get you a ban. Be careful. Just because you are siding with tanki doesn't mean you can break the forum rules and get away with it. I for one do not take to kindly to this sort of behaviour. It's tantamount to bullying in my book. I notice you have paraphrased things here, (twisted to suit your agenda), without providing links or context. I would quite happily put you straight and help you read between the lines. You shouldn't take everything too literally. People aren't as perfect as you when they compose a message. People are upset and angry and you would do well to remember that. Saying that their posts are silly, stupid and insane is very insulting and does nothing to ease what they perceive to be a disservice against them. - Tanki predicting the future Yes, geezer62 is correct here. It's not about predicting the future. I know that when it starts raining, people will put their umbrellas up. That doesn't make me a fortune teller. It's a matter of simple observation and deduction. I don't have the statistics of where all players are at in terms of their garages but I'm sure tanki does. Tanki will have reports coming out of their ears enabling them to build strategies which will help them make money. Tanki knew with a high degree of certainty which hull would be chosen. Please stop being a pedant over the word "knew" and learn to read between the lines. So where do we go from here? Tanki might very well close this topic. They certainly have an excuse to. Let's hope they keep it open.

My opinion: I took advantage of the last sale on MU's to finally make my Hornet/Isida something special but then Tanki practically took it away with the recent balance with hardly any notice. I have no confidence to buy this time around. Tanki need to restore trust before I buy again. I know many of you are eager to compete in the what is fast becoming the Firebird/Rico/Twins arena so you'll be contemplating a purchase. Who is to say they're not going to nerf your newly micro-upgraded tanks just as you get them where you want them? Chances of me buying on Friday = 0%

Scenario: Burned from the recent "rebalance", I save $200 to start micro upgrading my ricochet. Unable to use it while doing so, I finally get it micro upgraded without using speedups. Now I can enter the firebird/ricochet/twins arena where I can finally make a difference because skill alone doesn't cut it anymore. But wait! What's that you say? The long awaited news we've all been waiting for! A new, new balancing of hulls and turrets! "We're sorry you've just wasted $200 on that turret we have just nerfed - why don't you spend some hours playing with something else to see if you can adapt?" Cue the complaints, cue the silence. Well, Once bitten, twice shy, as they say. Trust is at the heart of this issue. No trust = No purchase I'm truly sorry to Tanki if they think my input is not constructive or even sarcastic but you can't ride roughshod over buyers and think everything is still rosy. Time to break the silence - before you make the same mistakes again!

Tanki Online reserve the right to be unethical. You agreed to this when you played the game. It's your fault for believing you could keep something you bought. It's definitely not Tanki's fault. In the meantime, try adapting. It might be fun!

This is my last post now for a while. I have decided not to play for the month of May in protest. I'll be back if tanki offers a positive solution to this saga but not if I find another game to spend my money on first. Bye and adios. See you in June, maybe. AbsoluteZero

Can you point to the Tanki page that specifies what "normal" is? You know, just so I won't feel robbed again.

Some players then. Read between the lines. Hope you don't end up with lemons.

The silence on the issue hopefully is a sign that they're working on it. Right now I imagine tanki guys and gals sitting around the meeting room table looking for solutions to this latest crisis. Players are now too scared to spend real money. I mean, you wouldn't go into a shop to buy an apple if they're only selling lemons!

I know one thing, I've used Emerald more in the last week than the previous 3 months. Thunder is a good weapon now that hornet & viking hulls are made of glass.

That would make a good alt! I know what you're saying. Sweeping statements presented as fact without any evidence can be annoying but players are just venting when they say something like, "80% of us...", etc, it's no doubt a made-up figure but to them it's likely to be a realistic estimate. You like me try to me thoughtful when composing posts and you're obviously passionate about the game, as is anyone who took the time to post about this update but this update has obviously left many players feeling hurt. Thye're only looking for some recourse and I guess they don't need salt rubbed into their wounds for generalising. I hope tanki listens to them and does something to ease what they believe to be a disservice because this update and the way it was implemented has left a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths for sure.

It goes without saying that this is a great game or else we wouldn't be here. The developers do a great job and they deserve every success but I'm not the community, I'm an individual and I feel somewhat let down. I guess most of us understand the devs are trying to do what's best globally but, for me anyway, they failed on the personal level with this update. I'm sure tanki keep a backup of everyone's garage before applying updates. It would go a very long way for them to work out the percentage loss players have suffered when their hulls, turrets and micro-upgrades have been weakened, then apply that percentage to the cost price of those items to deliver compensation. So this is a call for a response from the developers. Is that possible? Is there anything you can do or say that will lessen the blow many of us have suffered?

Try not to be condescending with words like "conspiracy" and "little speech", it's most unhelpful. Please keep this topic polite. It is true that many do not like the changes. I for one believe that tanki have behaved unethically. I have spent the better part of a year and a neat chunk of my disposable income on this game, improving my garage focusing on micro upgraded m3's - hornet, viking and isida. I don't attend the forum as often as I should so forgive me if I missed the posts or polls where they gave us all notice of these changes. As you said in your reply to me, we were all given notice. Please tell me where and when this was because I didn't get the email or notification or pm for the invite to test them out. The first I learned of these changes was in a video on facebook a few days before the update. So it should come as no surprise to you or the developers that many are upset and angry and that they feel conned or even duped. If you can't understand this then you're hardly being impartial and true to yourself. I think Canadian got it spot on with his observations. The popular hulls and turrets have been weakened and the unpopular ones, you know, the ones we don't normally see with any great frequency in battle, have been made more powerful. This means that one now has to, "adapt" as some advocates of this change have been saying. I can either start trying to buy new equipment in order to gain a competitive advantage or I can learn to be more defensive, trying to stay alive long enough to inflict a modicum amount of damage to an enemy. So am I just expected to say, "oh well", or do you think I have a right to feel upset? Don't start quoting the EULA at me because that won't wash. Sure they can do what they want but I'm also just as sure that they prefer to the ethical and fair thing here, especially when it comes to paying customers. My hornet has certainly been made weaker and I now can't compete using it against a myriad of mammoth twins & ricos. Tanki could have worked out this percentage of loss and then compensated me accordingly. eg, 20% weaker, therefore I get 20% of my crystals back and even then it wouldn't be fair but at least I could see that they are meeting me half way. And lastly, what affiliation do you have with the developers. Are you staff or something because I don't understand your willingness to spend every hour attacking any complaint or criticisms people are voicing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uozj1Vr4u1o

I said I wasn't going to reply again in this topic but your post got my attention. You have got this SPOT ON! My focus was on hornet, viking, smoky, isida & rail for my turrets, all practically m4. Emereld, Prodigi, Needle, Rock, Picasso & Zeus for my paints, the last 3 were fully upgraded. Isida was great because although I thought my hornet was fast and weak, I had a fighting chance of getting to the flag and bringing it back without help. ie, sneak in, grab, attack and heal as I retreat slowly due to being frozen and whilst being pounded by mammoth twins and thunder. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose. Now it's good for nothing. You can't survive long enough to whistle dixie! I've spent a whole year developing that and woosh... gone without any notice and you think I'll be happy with that? So yeah I am angry. Don't tell me to adapt because we know what your definition of adapt is. Read Canadian_Eh's post again for a recap if you're unsure what you're asking me to do. And just think how boring this game is going to be at the higher levels when EVERYONE is in a mammoth because all other hulls are just annoying little flies to be swatted, if you can be bothered to swat them that is. Do yourselves a favour, react quickly to this criticism and put it right before everyone stops buying, playing less and eventually leave. There is no shame in admitting this work was for naught. You're trying to make the game better and that's to be applauded but you've failed. Own up and revert before it's too late.

My final thoughts and post on this topic can be neatly and succinctly summed up in three words. "Not Another Penny"

This game is now significantly less enjoyable. People spend money on choosing/upgrading hulls and turrets, and then you go and change it all. The fair and ethical thing to do is a rebalance. But something tells me "fair" and "ethics" are not in tanki's lexicon on this occasion. Feel proper conned. No more money for the foreseeable future from me. I'm voting with my wallet. I encourage everyone to do the same. Gonna empty my tanki money jar and buy something else. Maybe it's time I find another game to play.

It probably has to do with where I landed, i.e. on the join where the floor segments meet. I discovered a while ago that mines can fall through these joins so my guess is that some work still needs to be done to fix this. It happens a lot but not usually as pronounced as this example. If someone can pass this to the Devs I'd be grateful. I'm sure they'd like to see it. Thanks.

See video to see what I mean.

Does the buy x2 double crystal card work with this offer too?

Success The formula to distribute the battlefund to players, as it turned out, was not too complicated. Video of values being inputted. Regards, @AbsoluteZero B) And thanks to @andreaNEW for working out the battlefund split for the teams.