Now your crossing the line, because nowhere did @creeperskelly insult the admins or the mods. He is clearly blaming Tanki for inconsistent and misleading information. But yet you are condescending to him. Historically the Wiki has never been a very reliable place to get information. Many times the Wiki page has been updated well after the Russian version. From friend to friend, I don't think this was appropriate at all. I hope you can respect what I say.

I think it is soon time to make a topic about all the problems that are in this game. But it will be a long one.

>>>>> That is NOT communication, that is nothing more them announcements. Sorry, to point out the truth. Communication is a 2 way conversation. Do these look like 2 way conversations to you? >>>>> Excellent idea. I would suggest you make it "pre-moderation" and hire a few more mods for that topic. There will be a lot of posts on that one. But my question is, who's going to read it? Because unless the devs read it, it will be pointless. Just like the I&S section. I would also like to point out that "the lack of communication" is with the owners and developers of this game NOT the admins and mods. If the admins and mods don't know the answers then there is no point in discussing anything with you. No disrespect to you or your opinions, but it is true that, unless you can do anything about game issues then anything we discuss is a waste of time but may still be fun. ;)

Fine we won't discuss the relationship between Tanki HQ and the Admins. However, I will say this, even though they do an outstanding job with what they are given to work with, they deserve more and we deserve more. As for Kick-2, opinions vary, I can accept that. But I wasn't even referring to it, I was referring to the AHK script, I wrote, that allows for a much more intuitive and user friendly way of using their useless slash vote system. >> http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=259573 OK let me get this straight. They come up with a much more elaborate plan to replace /vote, but couldn't make it work so just gave up and abandoned the whole idea. Why didn't they just do something a little more simple, instead of leaving us with nothing but a useless system and ruined battles? (See if you can get an actual real response from someone on the development team for this answer.) Mults and violators are one of the biggest complaints, ruin game play for SO many and yet they do nothing about it. But this isn't the first time they just abandoned what they couldn't get working. We have /vote, changing of camera speed, mouse controls and early battle ending, just to name a few. These are all things that negatively effect game play but don't negatively effect profits, in fact some may actually increase profits. So, I guess people can make their own assumptions. I'm not saying anything.

I, as well, have already made up my mind. I'm no longer supporting this version for 2 reasons. 1. The future is to unclear. 2. The low level of professionalism at Tanki HQ and level of disrespect for the EN community makes it very difficult to support them. If they transfer or give us good compensation AND change they way they do some things, I will move to Unity and must likely will start to support them again. If they "spit" in our faces, I and my money will leave Tanki permanently. I already have another game in mind that needs some support.

No disrespect to you but these are comments for ALL EYES, even the ones that won't be responding. Consider me to be the voice for the masses then. I don't think I have said anything that everyone else isn't already thinking and discussing in lots of private places, out of the public eye. Tanki HQ created this mess, Sami just got people thinking and now we are simply saying what needs to be said. Many of us "mature" players have been quite far too long already. I am not stupid and can read between the lines. It is a fact that Tanki HQ doesn't offer you the support you need or deserve. So I will re-word what I said, I wouldn't want to work for Tanki. I couldn't handle that level of disrespect.

>>>> At the risk of sounding racist and disrepectful, we need to remember that many of the Developers grew up in a communist country and secrets are just a normal why of life. So it is hard for them to change they way they do things. >>>> A better question is, if introducing an update, that really wasn't necessary, caused the lag then why not just remove the update? Well I guess one could assume that quality game play is less important then making more money. We can just add this to the long list of failed updates, broken promises, and STILL unsolved issues.

And for this we thank-you. I wasn't actually referring to you or this topic. I was referring to the game as a whole. If all the mods and admins took their jobs as seriously as you do, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. You seem to understand that although you are paid by Tanki, you are still here for the community and make it a better place. My hat off to you. Now don't let it go to your head. ;)

I don't have any idea why you 2 still continue to defend Tanki. Well, actually I do have an idea but I won't be disrespectful. I know you have gone to the devs on repeated occasions trying to get things fixed and nothing happens. Yele asked over a year ago to get something done about /vote. I had sent her an idea, which by the way I went ahead and made for myself, and she liked it and informed me that she has already requested something to be done. SO here we are today, and we are still stuck with this pathetic excuse for a reporting system and just doesn't work. No myth, no rumor, only the truth, the developers don't listen to you either.

My point is, maybe it should. We are the customers and we have questions and Tanki hides behind the admins and mods. I truly feel sorry for you. They stick you on the front lines and offer you no support. Nice company to work for. Additionally, "Do we get to transfer our accounts" is , by far the #1 question on every bodies mind, in every forum. It have been 2 years and they still can't decide. I don't believe this for a second. The problem is if they say NO people will stop playing this version and stop spending all together. If they say YES people will continue to keep playing and spending money here, but the financial impact of transferring will hurt Unity. SO it is a double edged sword. They really messed up this one, I wish them luck, they are going to need it.

And this is one of the things players are upset by. Many players see the Admins as the ones making the decisions about the game. They don't understand that you don't really know anymore about the game then the players do. :( I would suggest that a V-log be dedicated to explaining the different levels of "staff" in this game. Also it should be posted on the main page somewhere. My problem is, we don't have enough representatives from the games developers to ask these questions. Additionally as admins and mods you people should have access to a lot more official information then you currently do. If you are the ones that deal with the players first hand you are also the ones that they are going to ask the questions. So if you don't know the answer, your response should be "I don't know, but let me find out and I will get back to you". We used to have "consultants" but somebody decided we didn't need them anymore, well maybe they should be the ones with the answers we seek. I have seen it before and so have many others, where one mod says one thing and a different mod says something else, and neither one, according to you, should be saying anything because they really don't know the correct answers. Well do you represent Tanki Online? YES, then you should know or be able to find out the answer, providing those at Tanki headquarters know themselves.

I'm not really interested in the position any more, to honest. It's far too time consuming for me, I have better things to do. "10 hours a day, everyday" Well that makes the whole "volunteers" thing even harder to understand. NOBODY is going to work 70 hours a week for free. Don't these people have lives to live, jobs to go to, or school for the younger ones? No wonder you can't keep any good mods, you demand WAY too much from them, especially for a "volunteer position".

You haven't really said any more then I did. The fact still remains that I said I could do it 3 days a week and because that didn't meet the requirements set out in the rules it never went any further. I still maintain my comment that even a part time mod that can deal with things as they come up, is better then no mod at all.

Because that is just an account he uses for Tanki related stuff, therefore he doesn't play it much. There is also the demand on his time, he simply doesn't have enough time. He does have at least one account.

I have an issue with the fact the admins and some mods are calling themselves "volunteers". I was willing to volunteer some of my time but found out it was more like a paid job. I was asked to apply for a moderators position a while ago. I was told that I would need to spend a lot of time doing the job. I told the admin that I didn't have that much time and only could do it a few hours a day about 3 times a week, but would still be willing to take the position. The admin then told me that it had to be much more time then that or not at all. Well this seems contradictory to what a "volunteer" is. Now, some are saying they don't get paid and some say they do, but at that time the mods I know were getting paid. First you may want to get your stories straight and second if I'm expected to put in a minimum amount hours adding up to more then a part time job and getting paid, that's a "paid job" therefore staff, not a "volunteer". The logic is flawed, as usual. "We don't have enough mods" but yet you don't want my help or anyone else's unless we are willing to do commit to your terms of full time hours. Oh well, your loss not ours.

Let me explain what is trying to say in a different way. As you know the in game currency is crystals. Each crystal equals a certain amount of real money and the company must keep track of every crystal that is in the game. So when Tanki says they need to keep the economy balanced they mean they can't give away more money then they are taking in, minus whatever they need to make a profit after overhead costs. By allowing players to transfer crystals between accounts, it would lessen the amount of crystal people buy. So the less crystals people buy, the less crystals Tanki can give away and still maintain balanced books. If you need any more explanation just ask.

Well then instead of ignoring the questions they could tell us what you just said them selves.

Thanks I'd PM myself but he would just delete it without reading it. :( I burnt that bridge already.

Thank for the answer. I'll clarify a little further. Make special versions of the hulls that are only available to premium account holders. These could be skins that replace the default skins for whichever hull and M level you currently own. Anyone that has played with the Tanki tank viewer knows that the look of an M3 hornet is made up of 2 default files. 1. A file that contains the texture, which is the paint pattern 2. A file that contains the M3 level details for a hornet . This is the file that makes it look like an M0 or M3 etc. So they could just replace the default files for skins with different ones for players with a PA. A little time consuming for the artists but not much for the programmers. Just some more <IF...> <THEN...> statements.

I have a question about XT hulls. Can you still use paints with them? If so, then instead of giving PA users a special paint, make some special XT style hulls and turrets just for PA holders. This way they can still use what ever paint they want but still look different then non PA holders. This satisfies both sides of this debate. It satisfies those that think the PA paint is unfair. It also satisfies those that believe that PA buyers wont want a paint without protection. They can have both, a cool new look, the protection offered by any paint they already own, and it doesn't upset the delicate game balance. Now what could possibly be wrong with this idea?

For me, I get far more satisfaction from beating an opponent by being smarter or more skilled. I don't get any satisfaction from beating someone because I had massively better equipment or because I turned into a mindless drugger. Now, don't get me wrong, I have no problem with playing the drugger if that's what they want. For the life of me, I can't figure out the mentality behind totally humiliating and demoralizing players just for fun. Then, to make it worse, they waste no time in proclaiming how great they are. :blink:

I say it again, premium accounts are for players that want to support a game with real cash. They are not something that non paying players should get access to for more then a sampling. Usually there is no problems with premium accounts as long as they do not give the buyer an advantage on the battle field. There are all kinds of things that could be offered with premium accounts in the game and in the forums. I'll go though their list first and add a few more. 50% more Exp. points -- This is fine because ranking faster real doesn't effect the game and actually hurts players in the skills department. 50% more crystals -- I personally think this is a little too high. It will only allow them to buy the best of everything which hurts battle balance. If they remove the ability to fully micro upgrade to the next M level, then maybe Special paint is great as long as it offers no protection. However it then becomes pointless to own. So maybe it should just go over what ever paint you are currently using. To be honest the whole paint /protection system needs to reworked or replaced with something different. Paints and protections should be 2 different things. XT kits are good. Special Icon is great and should apply to in battle, chats, and forums. PROPass is also a good idea. A private section in the forums preferential treatment when using /vote....unless /vote gets reworked (which it should) Whichever reporting system we have, when a premium account holder requests help in battle it should be looked at before any reports from non PA members. Also a report from a PA member should not need additional reporters to trigger an alert to a moderator. A single PA member report should be enough.

Something else to consider. The whole premium accounts riot was the end result of something that has been building in this community for a long time. There is a whole lot more wrong and a 15 or 20% paint is the least of it.

Sorry, but this proves nothing. Well actually it does. I would say that the majority of the intelligent responders ask that Tanki not sell power or in other words to not give even more of an in battle advantage to the buyers. But they didn't give us that. To be honest, I think 20% was just a smoke screen to distract players, knowing that when they made the announcement that they reduced it to 15% they would look like heroes. The problem is they are still giving to much of an advantage to buyers. Just to be clear, I used to be a buyer and I know first hand how much of an advantage just being a buyer gives you.

You really need to stop trolling and show some respect to the ones trying to have a real discussion. Besides isn't past your bedtime?