You just never learn. One of the biggest rip-off's to date. Do you need somewhere quiet to lie down and rethink your TO choice making. I think you better before all of your bank balance ends up in hazels voddy fund for TO's new year party. Seriously I despair at some players. Some players don't mind, they follow uncle hazel wherever he points his laser light. Have a wild stab in the dark guess at the answer.

And yet ironically and with a hefty dose of hypocrisy, you are complaining about me complaining, go figure. The big difference is I complain because 1- I have the right to do so. 2- My observations about the game are spot on. 3- Whether you agree or dislike my take on TO is neither here nor there, and I really don't give a toss if you like my posts are not. I also do not care if you think they are worth the effort or not. I will post my thoughts about TO as often as I want, for as long as I want and If that bothers you personally, (which it seems to do) like I care. Only because players are so conditioned that they just accept whatever crap gets churned out. Imagine if the majority of players thought and acted like me, what do you think would happen, shall I tell you. TO would either be finished, or the devs would start acting on player feedback in earnest to save the game from ruin, this is a fact. And erm, yes it is, completely. No I'm not. Now before you say "yes you are" have a careful think on how you worded your post. If you are going to criticise me then please get a grasp of the English language. Know the meaning of whatever words you care to use and what they infer to before you post. Ditto. You mean exactly like you are doing, got that. The irony once again is as thick as the useless bots in battle. A little lol there just for self reassurance. TCSOTO. This title means/infers players can form and then submit their opinion via a post (that would be writing down words to post in this topic) about the state they think the game is currently in. Complaining about the state of the game is an opinion. You really must do better when trying to refute posts written by other players. As for TCSOTO-it get's worse with every update.

And you are deliberately dodging the fact that you are completely wrong about what you said about me. Your replies are word salad, basically bull crap and the ex bedroom warrior was always going to agree with you, weren't you maf. Pointing out the flaws and the greed in this game is never a wasted effort. Try getting it right next time you attempt a rebuttal, especially at me. To reiterate, just for you. I don't go out into the countryside with a gun and kill helpless, undefended animals. So in your opinion (which is so very wrong and you know it is, you just will not admit it) I do not/should not have the right to complain about the scum that do this. This analogy reflects perfectly what I am complaining about when I posted about the sky high shop prices. Now I no you don't want to agree with me, you would rather double, even triple down on your "very wrong" assumption of me, and good ol ex maf will do the same, won't you maf. big for ex mod maf, what a guy. So what is this a rebuttal to? Are you real, or one of hazels aimless, useless bots. Hard to tell at times. You boy post negativity about me because you don't like me, although you would never actually admit that, would you boy. The feeling is very mutual, trust me on that. I wouldn't take it personally. He enjoys complaining about me complaining, the irony is thicker than hazels useless bots.

What a very good point. Fact 1- They butchered the game with augments. As for variety. Fact 2- making "EVERY SINGLE TURRET" a copy/paste of each other butchered that concept too. The devs are very good at deliberately doing things badly, because it makes them cash.

And how would actually balancing anything, never mind OP augments make them any cash-balance so funny.

No It's not obvious at all. I complain about the tin cans, but you will never see me use one, ever. What you are basically saying is that my claim of not buying in the shop is not warranted, because you think (wrongly) that I do buy because I complain about the prices all the time. Refusing to waste cash on their inflated garbage and complaining about it does not mean I am a buyer, So no, It is not obvious at all. for thinking so.

Really. You think I buy from the shop. Were did I say in my post that I bought anything. Try reading the post properly.

Then It's about time you did, at least to the "very relevant" one's. Let's be honest shall we. TO has turned 100% into a cash grab amongst other annoying things. Those "others" are the inability, deliberate or otherwise of the devs to act on players feedback. By feedback I don't mean acting on useless idea's by children glued 24/7 to their precious mobiles, steadily increasing the brain rot that has become irreversible. Why don't the devs ever employ the idea's of players that make sense involving the mechanics of TO , Idea's that would have a huge positive impact on players in general. It's about time you lot started acting on the advice of mature players, because this game is really no fun anymore, hasn't been for a long time. I see the usual from a mod-ex mod. Way to go ex-mod.

Well, this is rather dead and buried at the moment. If I'm not mistaken (could be though) memory not being that good and all that, have the shop prices went up again. I see the last post before this one was on the 19th, reminds me of a song I like by The Specials called "GHOST TOWN" very apt. I wonder what has happened to make this topic look like a Zombie flick, or even a bunch of aimlessly, wandering, useless bots in battle. The analogy being It's dead, from the neck upwards. I've always liked Zombie flicks.

Waste of time. They only put questions out there that will not get a hefty negative feedback. I could do a questionnaire, but it would not be received well by the devs because it would contain questions they would never ask.

Don't hold your breath, blue does not suit you.

What is the point in investing in a low rank account (starter pack) when after the investment you have nothing to work with. All the decent deals you get at the very low ranks are useless, which is why I do not get them, so frustrating. TCSOTO is still pathetic and until they change it (for low ranks) the supposedly "good deals" are worthless. If you want these shop offers to have any value then re-work the low rank mechanics so there is something to gain when investing. I just opened 15 conts and got nothing but shot effects, paints and useless mk1, which I will never use. Change is needed at the lower ranks if you want these accounts to proceed and commit to the game.

@krokorok That first test box was easy to work out-useless bot. Test 2 was also easy to work out-P2W augment used by F2p after it got the usual huge nerf. Test 20-flying tin can. When did it become normal again. It's already ruined, what planet have you been living on these past few years. Personally I hope it comes into the game, along with every other nut job idea the devs and players can come up with.

@Reviced are you still playing the map with all those other players?

The amount of rep points they make you earn is way to high. TCSOTO=Still pathetic.

Begins with an H and ends in L.

You all know these events are trash and yet you still engage in them. WHY?

Never mind.

You never did give an answer that question! Still waiting for that answer.

Ahh the sheer optimism would be infectious if it was not so badly misplaced. Let's put your figures into perspective shall we. 4.400tk-that's a lot. 60 Epic containers that give you very little in return. Now you say that amount of containers would usually cost you 12.000 rubies (i will take your word for it as i can't be bothered to check that out) 12.000 rubies is a huge amount and here is were "YOU" are missing the point. You think that is a good deal because the devs set the normal price to astronomical levels, so when any seemingly cut price offer is available you perceive that as the devs being kind and caring towards it's player base. This is how the devs con players like you, with blatant ease. Recruit paint=laughable even if it was free.

They are not developing a game for "the people", that is only an illusion. Rather dramatic but I take your point. Only TO does not seem to be dying anytime soon, conditioned buyers with tunnel vision are keeping it alive. I really wish this were true- BUT there are just to many conditioned players for this to happen. How many crappy updates have they brought into the game with players complaining big time. How many of these players remain in the game, give them cash and just accept whatever crap the devs throw at them, I'd say it's about 90% of them, at the very least. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<---->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TO has been around for 16 years and with each passing year they have brought changes into the game that most players do not like. They constantly introduce new OP gear into the game, usually with a price tag attached to it, then they nerf it and start over with another OP item. Do players leave, nope, why not, because TO is a part of their life/routine and to leave seems unbearable to them. This is called "conditioning" and the devs prey on these weak willed players who are only too willing to give them their cash. Do I still play on a regular basis-yes, but I no longer play for 3/4 hrs a day, and back in the day it was considerably longer. I would say my actual "game time" is about 1 or2 hrs on a couple of chosen accounts that are still viable enough to count in battles. Why do I still play-because I'm good and enjoy what I do-camping nightmare right here. Am I conditioned to the point I spend (WASTE) cash on the game-no. Do I participate in events-no. Except for the last war event (because I had spare tankoins/rubies and I felt it was worth it, surprisingly) I refuse to buy into their con. I won the war paint, which I will never use. Do I buy battle passes-very rare occasions if I feel the account I am using is still worth it, and only if that account already has the required funds to do so. Do I buy into the 1000 star challenge-only ever done it on two occasions. This challenge is way overpriced for what you get. Legendary key for level 20-? whatever. Pile of useless, unwanted garbage. 10 rare keys, 10 energy and 5 epic instead of 3 and 100tk instead of the useless legendary, and reduce the price to 1,500 and I would probably buy into it more often. TCSOTO=Glitchy, overpriced, same old, same old.

It's not. The direction would be right "IF" they get rid of passive XP and adopt my solution, then it would be right. Why reduce something only to add it onto another part of the game, makes no sense, right? They are adding passive XP so as to mitigate their seemingly appeared perception of "doing the right thing" Typical devs. Slowing progression down like I have suggested improves TO by an astronomical amount and it will in no way "feel grindy". What is a grind is the current system. That's because they are. Disagree. Agree. You never did give an answer to that question!

Ah well never mind.

LOL not really. My solution has been posted in multiple topics, even when it had no bearing related to that particular topic, much to the distain of certain mods who usually removed my reply or put it somewhere else. I will explain my simple, but very easily implemented solution one last time, which would rectify not only MM, but the rank difference that occurs in battles on a regular basis. My idea does not primarily include those ranks above Marshal as they are already either in good shape or struggling because of the current set up. My idea concerns the very low ranks leading up to Marshal. Currently players rank at an alarming pace which causes them to become weaker every time they rank up, this is a fact unless you "BUY" your way through the ranks. My solution:- 1- Increase the XP needed to rank by a factor of x2 from recruit all the way to Marshal. A- This would ensure that players stay at their rank for much longer, giving them the ability/chance to earn enough cry to improve their garage at the next rank. B- It would also help drastically to improve the woeful MM system which has never worked, either by design, or just very badly applied by keeping similar ranks together for much longer, so negating to a large extent the parity between ranks. 2-Make it so that after every battle your crystal to XP ratio is at least double without premium. A- This explains itself really. 3-Reputation points is a big factor why players also rank far to quickly, because they are the hardest to accumulate, which means you need to play longer, which means you gain more XP, which means you rank to fast, which means your weaker at the next rank. Vicious circle springs to mind. 4-Passive XP is a relatively new addition to the game, but it has a massive, negative impact on lower ranks for the reasons mentioned above. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a new point I am making. It's one I have been aware of for a long time but never thought to include it into my "SOLUTION." 5-When you start a new account they (the devs) give you incentives to spend cash on seemingly amazing deals. Here is the problem with that little earner they tempt you with. What is the point of spending cash on these one off good deals when in reality it does absolutely nothing to improve your account/garage because of the massive and intended flaws in the game (EVERYTHING I HAVE MENTIONED ABOVE) which are deliberately employed to get your cash, or make you just another wannabe if you refuse to spend on their very expensive game. TO is a business, I get that. I agree that they (the company) have to make a profit in order to keep the game running, anything other than making a profit would render the game from a business perspective, null and void, not worth doing. I GET THAT. If the devs would actually act on reasonable, well thought out feedback I maintain that "THE BUSINESS" would thrive even more. A happy and content player base would be far more willing to spend cash on a game that actually gave a s--t about It's players. There are so many things wrong with TO, so many bad updates, far to many complaints, and it all stems from their innate disdain for the players and their inability to temper their greed with anything resembling fairness. TCSOTO-@Positive what do you think it is.

What a load of tripe. My solution would 100% fix the problem, and hazel knows it will. Also my solution would not unbalance the imbalance hazel so desperately want's to keep. Let me explain that last sentence. My solution would put players with very similar ranks (2 either way) in battles against each other. This in itself does not rectify the "BALANCE" problem insofar as P2w and non buyers experience, with the "balance" going in favour of the buyers. What my solution does is make sure that "very similar" ranks play against each other all the time and not against ranks 4/5/6 times above them, sometimes even higher. I've explained my solution at least a dozen times in various topics so I will not be going into any detail here. Bottom line-MY idea would work FACT. Along with augments they have ruined TO. I seriously get were your coming from BUT the core problem is "G R E E D". But yeah, and nobody HATES these skips more than me. Not often I agree with anything you lot post but your correct. And there you have it. This is why the devs will always win when it comes to taking the P out of the players.