With medium tanks, it can be determined fairly easily by examining your style of gameplay, and your ability to use cover effectively. The maps you most often play in are also very important. I forget which weapon you plan on using with your hornet/hunter hulls, I believe you said railgun? Well if you are using railgun yourself, you likely will be using lots of cover and will be able to keep some distance from your opponents by sniping. If this is the case, and you can keep your distance from thunder opponents, since thunders deal very low damage from long range, railgun protection would be much better. Another thing to keep in mind is splash damage. Thunders don't even have to be aiming at you, and you can still be damaged rather severely when your allies are being fired upon. (Silence map is a good example of this.) So in maps like Silence, thunder protection would likely be more useful in my opinion. In Kungur or similar maps like it, railgun protection would obviously be superior. So think about your favorite maps that you like to play, and also think about where you are usually positioned in those maps. Then make your purchase based on that. -Btw Tundra is a good amount cheaper. An extra 7k crystals could be all you need to make a second purchase on a big sale day. Plan wisely! :)

Clearly we have a need for a dedicated NSB server then. All ranks should be able to choose between the type of battle they spend their time in. If they can choose between CTF or TDM for free, I think they should also be able to choose between Drugs or No drugs for free. If not for free, then at least give us a server to all gather together and make our NSBP worth the 5,000 crystals we have to spend every month for a simple option. Who's with me?

I dont understand how Tundra isnt a good buy... I LOVE my Tundra. I can withstand M3 railgun shots on my m1 wasp. Whats not to love? And how is Tundra a bad buy at 34k, when Digital is baaarely any better (5% rail better - 3% smoky better - and 10% (useless IMO) shaft protection) You get 8% more protection for more than DOUBLE the price? And its unlocked far later? Tundra sounds like a wonderful investment to me, and so is Cedar. I'd say Cedar if you use medium or higher hulls and can easily withstand railgun shots without dying. If you use wasp/hornet though, Railgun protection is for you. Tundra is great.

You are not of rank yet, to understand what I am talking about. Once you start playing with Captain - Brigadiers.... thats when it gets BAD. You've got 4 druggers MINIMUM on ONE team in a Silence 10v10 CTF match. That is just too much okay. There is absolutely nothing you can do. The game winners are a result of who drugs the most usually. This is not nearly as present in the Warrant Officer ranks.

Nope, I have no Dictator.

When you're winning a CTF battle in 1st place, the fund is at a nice sum, and an enemy kit buyer + drugger enters your match that you've been in for an entire hour. The score is 14 flags vs 9 (you're winning.) This inferno mammy m2 + thunder m2 joins your game full of Warrant Officers and Lieutenants, gets to first place on the opposing team within 10 minutes due to his drugs and OP gear, and you watch your crystals that you have been earning for 1 hour, disappear right before your eyes. The score... 14 - 9 ... a minute later... 14 - 10... 40 seconds later.. 14 - 11... 5 minutes later... 15-19 10 more minutes later... 15-30. The game has ended. You walk out with 120 crystals in first place, while the enemy drugger is rewarded with 1450 crystals (that he clearly doesnt even need) and everyone is frustrated and feels like they wasted their time. Again I say... http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=181749 <- Server 27 for no supplies battles! (It now seems that 3 more servers have been added... a total of 30 now... so Server 30 for NSB then... or whatever. Just please make a devoted server for those of us who want to play fair matches, Tanki. Thanks in advanced for caring about your players who want to play fairly.

I see. I guess it depends a bit on the maps you play, and your style of gameplay. I usually prefer speed and evasion and the ability to dodge hits, rather than tanking them. I realize you can't always evade, there are some situations that throw themselves at you and theres nothing you can do but take a hit... but in a light hull, more times than not, usually you can get to safety if you place yourself strategically in the map, and have backup plans ready in your head when different tactics are used against you. One problem I have with dictator is that its speed doesnt allow you to get away from close range wielded enemies. Usually you will have died before you get a second shot with your railgun once they have made it to you, unless you're using titan or mammoth. Dictators HP isnt thaaat impressive... another thing is that If I wait 1 extra rank and save a bunch more crystals... I could buy wasp M3+freeze M3 kit, whereas the Dictator's M3 is unlocked much later. I do alot of thinking out loud as you can see. Anyways, thanks for your opinions, they have been noted. :)

Awesome screenies bro. I have to ask you though, can you tell a big difference between Railgun M1 and Railgun M2? Also, which do you prefer to use with railgun? Dictator or Hornet? I own Tundra rather than Digital (I didnt see the huge price jump worth the small bit of protection added) and I normally use my railgun with wasp M1 (hoping to M2 it as soon as I possibly can) I prefer the positioning on wasp alot better than hornet, so I can peek-a-boo much safer. Dictator M2 is a very tempting option, especially with its turning ability after the physics come. Do you think its worth 90k crystals (25% sale) for someone who doesnt have that many funds to work with (120k crys) and I dont even own M2 railgun yet...? (I bought almost all m1's except Dict/thun/horn and m2 freeze/isida) Or shall I stick with M2 wasp? I usually am a bit frustrated with Dictator+Railgun on the test servers, because its difficult to hit people who are on lower levels than you are (and railgun is nice to snipe from up high with - wasp can easily rock back and forth to hit people on any height you wish) Also, if anyone here can answer this, as I was unable to test much myself with the new physics - Wasp seems to be more stable when firing railgun shots right? The hull doesnt tilt over as much when you shoot sideways?

He said 'kill steal' vikings and hornets. Not one-shot kill them, hence the comma to seperate the statements. ~ Im no grammar junkie though, but just sayin.

Same thing is happening for everyone. The team has already acknowledged this problem and is working to fix it as soon as they can. Lets look at the bright side: Maybe we'll get some sort of compensation for the down time!

I plan on using wasp + railgun after the physics come. M2 wasp is a few ranks away... which is ALOT of xp -_- I own m1 railgun, and would like to upgrade it, but I'm unsure as to whether or not it is worth it? M2 rail looks like a fairly insignificant improvement over m1. Can anyone here who has purchased m2 rail let me know if this upgrade is worth say, 70,000 crystals? I only have 113k crystals at the moment, and would like to buy it on a 25% sale, or better if possible. Then I'll save for wasp m2.

@ doughnut/darkoperative You guys know when he says the end of 'parkour,' he is referring to the ability that Ricochet has when used with hornet/wasp, to climb walls in reverse while shooting. This is because the new physics on rico seem to have less recoil. That HARDLY means that parkour will end. Ricochet parkour is 'noob' parkour. Real parkour uses advanced tactics, with multiple people often times, mines, railgun shots, stacking of hulls on one another to reach higher areas, nitros, dictators, and light wasps. Parkour is here to stay, you simply have to be more creative, and forget about the basic ricochet climbing style of parkour. Spread the word.

Im a little confused by your post. Why "Micro-upgrade away!"? When the M3 is such a small change, that wouldnt make sense to get 75% of M3. (M2.75) That would be a huge investment of MU costs, for hardly anything in return. If however, M3.75 is a good increase, then it would be worth upgrading to m3 and then Micro-upgrading from that point. And according to what was previously said about MU's, once you maximize 1 characteristic of an upgrade, it will discount a % off of the next modification, so technically you dont say goodbye to ALL of the crystals once you upgrade to the next M. The most valuable MU's are the ones which have a large distance to the next M. That way the 75% increase improves your item dramatically.

If I were you, I would save up and purchase Smoky m2. With the recent Thunder sale, there will be even more people using thunder resistant paint protections. On top of this, M2 thunder is pretty much 'the end' for thunder.... since M3 is barely an upgrade. Smoky M3 however is still a nice upgrade, and with MU's coming soon, you will be able to increase its critical hit chance, and reload speed. This will make it a better turret for 'all-around' use, and you are not forced into using thunder protection (so you wont damage yourself) but you are free to use whatever paint you would like.

This is rather silly, why revamp the entire system when you could simply make a dedicated server to No Supplies Battle's only? The fund will be lower already since there will be less drugs used, so theres no point in lowering it even more. It should not be servers 20-27 either, that is waaay too many, the servers get fairly full already at the peak time of day, with 2000 people in every single server. We just need 1 server dedicated to NSB's. Yes, it would be nice if it would be free, in that server, but I doubt the devs/mods will agree with anything being 'free.' Since they make us pay for everything. (Please prove me wrong through future actions devs/mods) But if its not free, thats fine too, at least everyone who wants to play without supplies can be in ONE server, so we can see all the matches for people who want to play without drugs. (If this works out very well, and many want to play there, then go ahead and add another server dedicated to NSB's)

Like many others here... I was expecting a much similar discount as the one a few months ago, with railgun. Shouldnt us choosing our discount = we get a % off depending on how many votes the turret got? Thatd be truly 'listening' to your customers. I mean come on, you guys KNEW shaft was going to lose by far, and we just get a pretty weak discount on 5% of the garage (thunder/isida) lol. Would be much appreciated if this was re-considered and we were given discounts based on vote percentage, rather than a set 25%.

Well M2 freeze is not thaat much more useful over M1, especially for a defending role. The freeze 'effect' is the same, and the range doesnt help thaaaat much, since you're defending a flag, they're gonna have to go right past you anyways, and the damage increase is fairly small. (Entirely unnoticable when vsing an enemy drugger - your main role is to freeze him and let your team kill him when hes frozen. Also, in one more rank, you unlock firebird M2! Which is spoken very highly of from most players who own it themselves. However you probably wouldnt be the best defender using it, freeze would be far more useful for a defender's role... but you said you're bored of Isida, so M2 firebird may be a wonderful change of gameplay for you, as an offensive player and you could make use of that hornet/hunter you own too! If you truly dont want 'low range' turrets then, and still want to defend... I'd suggest Smoky for its critical hit. Time and time again, its critical hits save you during emergency situations (like when the enemy has just taken your flag) and the crits pretty much wreak havoc on druggers. M2 Smoky is a little while away for you, but certainly something to take into consideration. Railgun M2 could be a useful defending weapon if you use it to snipe from your base while defending, and when necessary, if you use a double power (when druggers come to take your flag) 1-2 shots will severely cripple them, and you can keep a pretty good score. If you are not using double power when an enemy drugger comes to take your flag though, your railgun will be sorta useless, 100 dmg on a drugger using double armor + nitro... you're likely only going to get 1 shot, that will take only half, or 1/3rd of their total hp... not even considering if they have railgun protection (which many do) Those are my thoughts.

If the new physics remain similar to how they were on the test server, the speed should be increased by alot. (YESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) This will make everything more fun, interesting, and action-filled. This game NEEDS that. The new players (Private -> WO5) should be able to experience fast-placed gameplay that only begins near Major ranks and above (which in my opinion are still rather slow...) That would keep way more players from quitting in the beginning, and give them more motivation to 'master' the gameplay as it should become a little more difficult and rewarding. Hopefully All hulls will receive 30% or higher speed increases, with minor adjustments here and there for balancing when needed. P.S. 40% - 50% would be welcomed. (Wasp M0 starting from 9.5 speed and maxing around 14.0 - not including MU's which would allow m3.75 to be around 15.0 speed) The large hulls such as Titan/Mammoth should be from 4.0 speed to 7.0 speed - no higher...

This^! You should get what you pay for! Is that not the very idea behind making purchases...? Who wants to walk into Mcdonalds and spend 3$ on a large order of Fries, and only have a 50% chance (or less - depending on how many fries hes purchased in the past) of them being in the bag once he leaves? And then he brings back his receipt and says, "HEY! I ORDERED FRIES WITH MY HARD EARNED MONEY! Give me a refund!" And instead, they say, "Sorry!" and hand him back a couple gross burnt fries and a package of ketchup and mustard. (Drugs) Does that really sound like a sincere apology? Hardly, it sounds more like robbery.

The only time I have lag issues is when I have too many tabs open at one time, or if my computer begins to overheat. Maybe your computer is overheating or something, and needs a cooling fan? Of course none of us can diagnose your problem properly without more information, maybe you have a connectivity issue with your router? Possibly the bandwith is being taken up by others sharing the same cable network in your neighborhood? You could try going online at a different time of day than you usually do. And of course you could always turn off as many options under settings as possible, and minimize your screen 30-40%, this seems to have the strongest effect for me, when trying to reduce lag. Also clean your temp files on your browser, and make sure you dont have any viruses on your computer that you are unaware of. Aside from these things, I dont think theres much we can do to help you. I hope you find a way to resolve this problem you're facing, it certainly sounds frustrating.

This is perfect... Server 27 on TANKI NEWS! For no supplies... that is wonderful. True freedom of choice for people of all ranks.

Same, I hate my m1 twins already, pre-nerf haha.

I would hope for a 30-50% discount on all hulls, as most of us dont have too many crystals saved up, and since they refuse to give a refund, it would be a nice gesture to make those of us who really could use a refund, happy. Sort of like a 'meet in the middle' deal.

Well of course, using mammoth M2 yourself, you can take on other mammoths, but for those who prefer lighter hulls, or arent Major rank yet to purchase m2 mammoth, or simply do not have the funds... they're a bit screwed lol. And yes, it is a double-whammy for mammoths, however people are saying that Titan's armor will decrease, and so that will sort of distance the mammoth from the other hulls a bit. Anyways, we'll see what happens. :) Im sure it wont be too bad... it would be silly to ruin a hull while attempting to 'balance' things out. I cant imagine them doing something like that intentionally.

Of course theres freeze to counter druggers, but who wants to play with freeze all the time? I shouldnt have to purchase a specific weapon as a last resort in balancing gameplay... Come on, you know there are waay too many mammoth druggers using twins and thunder, running around with 5.0 K/d's (or way higher) at Major rank dominating matches.