Wow, it sure looks "crowded" that way. Right hand ZXC to < > and you have a lot more "space" IMO. If having more space is beneficial or not: I have no clue! But hey a Generalissimo ánd even more so a member of the top-clan "the Noob Army": so I am definitely not saying you are doing anything wrong here.... ;)

That why I like Tanki has the possibilty to use these different keycombinations. You can choose whatever suits you the best.

Nice, how you are able to make complete shifts of the key combinations! And in the last case: ofcourse it 's perfectly allowed to make some sacrifices for such a tasty sammich... :)

Vettefan, glad Raphael helped you out with the paint: or better no paint! ;) Indeed just keep with the Forester, which is a good paint (I would vote it nr. 1 for most cost effective paint any day), and like Revilo said MU it and it will work well against Railers. On both my new alt. accounts I am using Forester 15%, that 's how good I think it is (at lower ranks) Corrossion is very nice and still a thing to consider when you have earned enough crystals, but now first Thunder and Viking!

A turret is a weapon. I take it you mean: Hunter is my worst "hull"?

Thanks my fellow Tankers for the congratulations! And especially for the ones that need to rank for a Thunder: hope to return the favour soon! :)

About Titan and Twins in the described situation: I can surely imagine it 's effectiveness. Titan with Thunder M1 is a superb combo. I still prefer Viking, but sure this combo rocks! On a personal view: first enjoy in the early-ranks, the overpowered Smoky M1, do this till WO4 and than make the very natural transition to Thunder M1 (ofcourse I played/trained with Thunder M0, but on an alt. account and not on my main account). Even the turret-rotation speed of Smoky M1 and Thunder M1 are exactly the same! IMO you simply go from one OP gun to another OP gun: nice! :)

Completetely "overdosed" this afternoon! :wacko: Wanted to rank to Captain and did it fast with lots of drugs. Used them almost completely against high-rankers, feels better. This account is going to be "frozen" completely. Will be a Captain for quite some time. Want to play my Rail M2 with Lord, but still need a discount Hornet M2 and foremost a lot of Rail-training! Focus will now be on Hornet-Rail and some Freeze as well on two training alt-accounts. SmokTT will start playing a bit again when the Thunder M2 gets discounted. Just have to: the beautiful Sound of Thunder can 't be heard enough on the Battlefield! :)

Before the New Physics it was a pretty usefull paint though, but yeah that nasty almost fluorescent green... :D

IMO it is not a beginners gun, much too specialistic in my view. Start using it later in your carreer. In the right hands at M2/M3 I do consider it a mighty weapon. This will not help you at all, but that 's all I can and will say about Shaft. I simply am a Shaft-noob. :P Btw. my advice is only one of many, it is you Vettefan22 who has to make a good choice considering all these different views from definitely more than just one person. If the choices we make are the best, we all will never know: doesn 't matter also. As longs as if your choice works for you, it 's ok. :) edit: indeed Sam, I do not own Shaft on any of my current accounts. Did play with it quite a lot before the New Physics on a temporary account, enough to know it 's not my type of gun. I choose Rail without any doubt.

"I thought that if you can do well with no paint, you'll do even better when you'll get a paint later on.": same reason I would advice to stay away from drugs (not always possible in CTF and TDM, I know) at the start of a Tanki carreer: if you can do well without drugs etc........(in my view ofcourse)

Well, it is for sure. Together IMO with the Smoky M1: really effective combo (even more so at M2)! If you are into heavy hulls, give it a try! Had a look at your videoguide about the hulls and really liked your view on them! A videoguide that in my view every beginner should watch. Obligatory... ;) I am going Hornet and Viking all the way also. Exception is the Wasp M2 that will at least become an "in between" hull. And when on a beautiful, sunny and happy day :D I may become a Generalissimo: I will give the Hunter M3 a go for sure! Heavy tanks are at the moment history for me. Certainly when non-drugging everything the Titan can do, can be done with the speedier Viking as well. And Mammoth I simply consider the much too slow druggers-hull: an absolute no go for me. Both Mammoth and Titan are strong and have their use for sure, but they lack speed and for me speed equals fun. Viking with it very sufficient HP is (just) fast enough to have lots (fun) of it! :)

Railgun (and semi-sniping: Smoky)

As a Viking guy I have to say: nope...on the other hand it could mean more easy victims in DM 's for my Thunder! ;)

Have a further look at some new graphics here, this is more how they will look in the final stage: you only have to look at the first 15 seconds: awesome! :wub: http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=193554&do=findComment&comment=3446023

Tundra: are there only Railguns shooting at you? ;) (maybe you stick to XP battles?) With Wasp my mate TwentsRos convinced me that having multiple protection is a lot better. A true Waspy himself. You don 't have to survive multiple shots from one particular gun, but one shot from multiple guns. So yes Digital is fine. And I wasn 't saying it is impossible to get to Wasp M2 with Wasp M1, but you do let it sound like it is "a walk in the park". ;) edit: following the survive-one-shot theory: Corrossion (partly Mu 'd) is an early unlocking, cheap and great "Wasp" paint which also has the much needed Thunder protection. I am going to take this path too. Planning: Rail with first Wasp M1, than Hornet M1+M2 and "finally" Wasp M2.

Desert DM indeed suits Thunder - Viking very well. I try to stay as much as possible between the walls, and by doing so am a bit saver from the railers, but you sure got take a blow once in a while. Mammoth IMO is too slow and coverless in this map. Used Cedar and Tundra in Desert DM and it doesn 't really matter which one you choose, it all comes down to the question: do you like to be wasted by Thunder or by Rail? :)

True IMO! Only problem is it upgrades very, very late. In the mean time you can have the Hornet M1 ánd M2! The Hornet M2 five ranks earlier as the Wasp M2, I may add! In evenly capable hands Wasp M2 should outperform the Hornet M2. Viking - Rail has superb HP but also: lack of speed to go from one good spot to another, relatively slow turning rate combined with slow turret-rotation and peek-a-boo: I don 't think so.

Allthough like you I think Viking is a formidable tank, in the case of ^^^^ Vettefan22 I would take Hornet as well. Railgun is more suited for Wasp/Hornet and depending on IMO the upgrade Hunter (M1 and M3) I started playing Railgun again after a long time and really like the Hornet-Rail combo. Both still at M0 because of the fresh start. Forester is a good choice (the best?) for this combo and I earned enough crystals, so I MU 'd it till 15%. I wanted to join CTF 's with it, but I am already fully back to DM 's...I just can 't mix with druggers... :D ...and almost forgot: all those "CTF" mines I kept tredding on! :wacko:

:D Well, you are right that happens ofcourse. Also it 's not good for your D/L at all to go after one particular tank/person in a battle. All about a narrowed vision...but what has to be done, has to be done! ;) What I didn 't say that this team "breaking" does hardly happen anymore. (the last one half a year ago? And I team very often.) It 's something I found a lot more in my lower ranks battles. Maybe higher ranks get more serious? Don 't know, but it 's true. And finally in the longer DM battles I fought, the team-breakers got so fed up with my relentless and with some bragging succesfull hunt on them, they all left! :D

Well, I make more often a team with a good player and I don 't really care if that is a Freeze, Isida, Railer or whatever. If the guy plays well it 's in our both interest to not fight with each other. In Polygon DM this happens more often IMO. So I do not look at the weapon, but at the player. Sometimes there are indeed these spontaneous Desert-like alliances between Smoky 's and Thunders in Polygon DM. When they happen you can sure count me in! :) Do you never make friends with the above actions like I do in DM 's?

Smoky M1 :wub: , do I need to say more? ;)

I just spoke with him. He is ok with mentioning his name and also with fighting some battles with you. His account is twentsros (is a Captain on that one with Wasp-Rail). Just send him a friend request.

If you look at it that way, than all prior upgrades from a weapon are training weapons....in a way that 's true. :) What I mean with trainings-weapon: in the best possible case you open a new training/ practice account. In your case you rank with Hunter-Smoky or Wasp-Smoky till you can get the Viking M0. With this Viking M0 - Smoky M0 you fight till you can get the Smoky M1. Fight battles with that combo and you will most likely understand why I call the Smoky M1 the best trainings-gun before ánd for Thunder M0/M1. :D

Two ways: You can simply ask for it, copy/paste or write the name and ask for it with: team? mir? Something like this: "Lord, team mir?....ok" ;) When you get better and have good D/L 's or are simply somewhere in the top of the score-list it becomes much easier. Many want to team with you and will ask you. If you want to team yourself with someone, you sign "do not shoot" or "no" with your turret: simply sway your turret in repeated short left/right movements. So it looks like saying: "no" Sometimes you still get shot once, but if the other wants to team with you, you simply have to take that shot. He simply had to make up his mind in a very short timespan. A second ago you were still his enemy! :) If he accepts your proposal you will know and you can continue as a team. Sometimes you have temporary alliances in a DM. This can happen for example if you spawn next to a Tank and he does not notice it. If it is a good spot, you simply start shooting the other opponents next to the other tank. If he is smart he knows that two firing weapons like for example Thunder are better as one and you can perform as a double-shots weapon, which is ofcourse very effective! You simply have to accept that he will "steal-kill", like he has to accept it from you also. When you both get killed, sometimes it continues to be a team, but don 't count on it in this case. Asking or shaking with the turret and getting a positive response means you have a team and IMO that means for the whole battle long. A team mate that shoots you once can happen, twice becomes questionable and you better ask again if it is still mir/team? If you get shot a third time you can be sure it wasn 't an accident. Don 't know how others do react, but I definitely make that person kill-priority number one! :angry: (can 't help it :D )