I guess we have a minsunderstanding here. I'll give more details in the spoiler Commercial models like this are sooo common all around the world..

yeah, it seems that the cooldown cuts 25% of your heating.. so you end up with only 75% of the temp that was expected.. and only 75% of burning time. I have no explanation for the large deviation of calculated burning time to experienced burning time. But we could run some tests (some M3 firebird vs my M3 Viking) and check what we get.

^ you can purchase the turrets, hulls and modules all year, 24x7. Just those special offers (kits = discount) are offered as they like.

..and air resistance. Velocity is not constant over the flight path but anyways.. tanki has no physics model for shooting. For working across the map, thunder is way better, as it has 50% weak damage (this is the damage edalt beyond the min-dmg-range

Hey, my inital answer was just 3 lines.. then he asked for more :P @iamthegr8est1,

Ah sorry, my bad - I read it wrong. -- I just found something: I use an excel sheet that calculates temp and damage for each tick (0,25sec), adds them together and shows them in a graph over time. Of course it also uses the cooldown and such stuff. Now I used it to show the outcome of an M4 firebird.. but I saw that the reached temperature after 5sec of an M4 blast -> is only about 0,7625, and not 1.00 :huh: I went after the reason and found it: It is the cooldown. In my model the cooldown works as soon as the temp is above 0.00. So even if the firebird heats it up (adding temp) the cooldown is already active (decreasing temp). Like if you fill a glass that has a crack.. you have a constant loss from the first moment you fill it up. Before this update the heat-up was way stronger, so that the tiny cooldown had almost no impact during the large temperture gain.. but now the difference became smaller. So now the [cooldown during heatup] seriously impacts the reachable temperture, and therefore cuts the afterburn time (less temp was reached -> can be lowered faster -> afterburd time cut by 25% !!). I build this model according to some input from Hazel a few months ago.. if this detail is corret too, then it explains why multiple people have issues to reach the given afterburn time in real -.- If the cooldown is correct (=already active during heatup) then - an M3 and M4 firebird fireing 4sec (->max temp 0.79) deals ~ 1500hp through burning (during and after it's firestream) - an M4 firebird fireing 5sec (->max temp 1.00) deals ~ 2340 hp through burning (during and after it's firestream)

What I liked about the halloween map: - The lightning was very dark but hey - it's halloween and not a summer beach party. - perfect for long rangers - the new map elements, like half-destroyed walls, the ramps used to reach a higher ground were cool. Higher elements make it a little harder to spot above them. - those little obstacles on the ground where truely nice What I disliked: - too less diversity on gold drop locations - too many bushes. Honestly.. there are sooooooooooooooo many bushes - gold drops did not work for lower ranks - giving more golds leads to more mults (5x more gold = +50% battle fund. Better give 4x more gold, make 1-out-of-4 a self-exploding device with big laughter (+30% battle fund) and give 33% more battle fund. This is +63% more crystals overall. The lower rankers would benefit, the exploding golds would be fun and the people would play instead of multing and wait for gold in pause mode. What I disliked most: - almost 95% of all maps where that halloween maps. After a couple of battles I wanted to play something else.. but there was not much to choose from. So.. it was boring there after. - the special mission is waaaay to time consuming.

That has nothing to do with racsim. Check the wiki if you like to. Please be carfull, as easy abusing (even if without intention) such strong words kills discussions and kills the self-thinking of discussion members.

The max. burning damage was 30/sec before all values have been multiplied by 10. It should be 300/sec by now, and not 30/tick A small thing you forgot to consider is that the burning damage is also dealt while the tank is heated up; so you can add additional 5 seconds (if we talk about M4) to your burning time (dealing average heating damage). I share the rest of your observations.. as the heatup rate was cut in half the afterburn is much less agressive. Firebird still feels trong as the damage was increased slightly, but more because the range for dealing max damage was increased to 10m. Still .. all hit-and-run firebirds can pack their stuff and leave - or pay for the alternation in order to have fun again. Of course by the price of higher energy consumption.. but guess what -> the reload was speeded up tremendously. This happened to a lot of other turrets (Isisda nerved, Smokys Critical gone, Rico was based on impact force = gone, Freeze was boosted for 2 weeks so they sell more of them and now nerved the freeze effect again without giving a notice, Fire and Freeze penetration gone. Missing Freeze penetration ios especially bad for all those players that purchased the freeze alternation with the small cone). I presume -> this is to make more room for alternations.

Freeze effect over the weeks:

As you play mainly poly CP, your combo is perfect anyways. Stay on it and save for M3 kits.. then you can expand your garage for more turrets later on. Believe me, It _will_ be expensive ;) It makes very much sense to go through the M2 ranks with just one main combo.. and save all you can for later

with an Hornet M0 are underequipped for your rank. It makes no use to complain that turrets that outclass you by M-Level (M1 , M2, ..) do anoy you.

Today I could escape from two freezers that worked their effect on me at the border of their range. I was effected but the freezing standstill was not here any more.

you have to write about yourself.. what maps, what gamemode, what positions do you play and like.

You got enough at the moment, save for M3s. You will need it

As you calculate for medium and heavy hulls and serious amounts of protections, the number of shots is already high.. so go gradula. Then I would take the average damage a smoky deals and calculate with this. I remeber it correct, the Smoky has a 20% chance on a hit that deals 10% more damage.. 0,20 x 0,10 = 0,02. So just increase Smokys non-critical-damage by 2..3% and use this for your estimation. Should be fine enough. Again I think the 45% for rail are fine and you don't need more, as long as you have other modules to spend your crystals on. The gradual advantage of going from 45% to 50% is about +10% survival time, which is not thaaaaat much, compared for the price you pay. If you are fine at the moment, save your crystals for christmas. By then the M3 alternations will (most likely!) be published and at christmas they usually offer a MU sale

why does this not suprise me :P

You know.. Mc Donnalds, Burger King, Car Companies like Ford, Volkswagen and General Motors.. they all give the "special offers" when THEY want to. And if I visit a McDonnalds and tell them, I like to have the special burger they'd offered two weeks ago, for the same price that it cost back then, they will tell me they are sorry. They all must be infiltrated by Russian doctrines!!! :ph34r: (And dont tell me about MyBurger was introduced because they are customer friendly. This was just introduced to keep an "strategic advantage" vs Burgerkind and subways, that offered "alternations" for years) Do you still believe NBC, commercials, and what is written in your school's books about other nations? Open your eyes, open your mind Proud like a god, don't pretend to be blind Trapped in yourself, break out instead Beat the machine that works in your head (source)

Sure, you are in - be very welcome! Training is Monday, 02:00am UTC to 03:00am UTC. Check here for UTC times. Make sure you are skilled, because you will be tested at your first battle (skills, tactics, flipping yourself). And now please read the name of the topic, and see, that you are not in the clans section of the forum, and I was just kidding :) You will find the clans there: http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showforum=42 Good luck in your search, remember that training times have to fit you, have fun, and be kind ;)

Thats what I understood. No worries.. they just took away the main tactics of fire and Freeze users on light hulls.. and even of all those Vikings on Polygon that roast multiple tanks at once.. -.- Please give a source for this information. As far as I understood it, ANY tanki will block the firestream, as the did not say that it applies only to enemy Tanks. My teammates also block my Twins, Rico and Hammer shots. It seems to me they used the same mechanics for Fire&Freeze now as well.

Thanks! (and if the next rebalance is crap again, we will know whom to come for :p)

Maybe you like to notice that the hunter - after the balance - is now heavier then a Viking. they swapped Hunter and Viking in most of their characteristics. It is now: viking: fast, light, drifts hunter: little slower, medium weight, drives nice curves Dictator: slow, heavy weight, and I forgot how it drives.. Actually they should change the sequence of the tanks in the garage, because within a group os same HP they are sorted by speed

For Isidas in teambattles the selfhealing is more important then a high damge.. just because they are targeted first and can not apply their healing effect on themselfes. As you wrote.. people target it first (if they get into a position where they can shoot it from).

This page still mentiones friendly fire: http://en.tankiwiki.com/Creating_a_battle ps: you should really return those aliens to me again. I just borrowed them to you, to help you to show off infront of your gf. I need them again to continue my experiments on long-distance telepathy towards certain game designers in the east :p