The "4 microupgrades" from the example of 17/20 normal and 4/20 XT? They are wasted. But in that situation who's gonna complain about now having an XT 17/20 instead of XT 4/20? :huh: If my math is correct - the 13 extra MUs that would apply to an XT item more than make up for the 4...

If you have mammoth and are pretty happy with it - no point in buying Titan - unless you have too many crystals :D Upgrade everything and get all the turrets you want for that account. Then maybe give Titan a try... I'm sticking with Titan this account and will do Mammoth on my alt.

Why did I spend 2x crystals MU-ing my equipment a year ago, when I could have waited a year (and not received any benefits) and upgraded for half the cost... Same thing. Things change over time and really, if you have crystals to burn on a super-expensive item that 1) gives you no game-benefit and 2) might actually be a duplicate of something in your garage - well - the violins won't be coming out any time soon.

M1 - so... basically no downside for players who can't turn their turret ;)

What are XT purchasers losing? They have XT now. They will have XT in future. The only thing they might lose is a second hull of same type - which is redundant. Why would you need a hornet m3 2/20 when you can apply the skin to your hornet m3 17/20?

A common "system" would have been good for the Battle List - so legends like me can try to avoid Legends 10+ when searching for battles. But I guess that would only apply to Pro/Custom battles when MM gets rolled out...

My understanding is that after conversion you will have... - M4 Viking (with normal graphics/skin) - An XT (viking) skin that can be applied to your viking m4 in similar fashion to a paint - can be equipped or unequipped - the viking M3 6/20 will be redundant - and will disappear from your garage. If you have M3 Ricco I don't recommend getting Paladin Kit. A good kit if starting m3s but - ricco and smoky are too similar. You are better off getting short or longer-range turret to give flexibility. Or MU-ing your ricco, or other equipment. Also highly recommend the MFS (long-range) alteration for Ricco. Makes it a much better turret overall.

Hunter should be taking hits better - has more weight. My Viking-Smoky combo disappoints me - rocks to much when hit. I have Hunter on my alt and is great with Vulcan. Titan is better overall vs Mammoth - they both weigh so much neither gets moved much when hit. So difference is speed - and Titan outclasses mammoth on that.

DD does the same for all weapons... Shaft m0 = 1500. Shaft M4 = 3000... m0 + DD = 3000 let's duel. 2 choices of turrets (m3 thunder / m3 smoky) and 2 choices of ranges ( 60m / 140 m ) one person picks turret, other range. You go first...

I see what you did there... ;) "Nothing wrong with shooting as long as the right people get shot!" Mobile or broken arm? Why would i want my team handi-capped by that? Ah... at least you added a caveate about DM. Also add pro-battles with friends who likely have a little more sympathy. Enough imbalances in the battles already...

When we get into MM we won't know what map we'll be playing so being able to swap protections at start of battle is absolutely necessary. There is a 5 min cooldown for each separate piece of equipment in garage - so you'd be able to change the protection module a maximum of 2 times, which seems reasonable. So your concern then is with Pro-battles, as being able to see opponents, and maps like Sandbox would be in that mode. Not sure that warrants another level of cooldown... It's not great once you get to M3 and above where unlock level is same for all turrets. During re-balance a lot of parameters were nerfed, including re-load and critical. It has terrible "weak damage" (10%) so it stinks at long range. The effective range (where Smoky is as good or better than other turrets) is such a small band. The close range turrets are obviously better at point blank range. But Ricco deals damage so much faster even at medium range, and even twins and hammer can beat it at short-med range. Don't even try to use it at longest ranges - you'll notice you just tickle the enemy. So it's effective range is basically the mid-to-long band of Medium range. And this is quite narrow. Oh they exist - mostly at WO ranks to Major - where the accounts don't take long to rank up. No huge loss if that account blocked for a while. They are obvious - players on your team with score/kills/deaths at 0 / 0 / 14. 14 deaths with no kills. Well in some cases that might be an isida that just heals but - then score would be >> 0. it's even worse when that tanks stays on your team for the next battle - they would have had to click "continue" to stay - so I know it is deliberate.

What? :huh: Only 3 times? Is this a tank that ran out of gas crossing no-mans land in Serpuhov? :blink:

Besides the 5 min one that already exists?

Who is "he"?

Maybe some were his favorites? :ph34r: I finally got smoky m3 then... the "rebalance". Was not happy. At. All. I tried - I really did - upgraded it to 16/20... but - now it mostly sits in my garage. has lost it's luster.

Buffed? Debatable. Different? yes. especially so isida.

This could indeed be one of the solutions. Might have been MAF suggested that for each triple module you currently own, you would get a triple pre-set. Own 12 triple modules? Get 12 presets. Own 1 triple and 7 singles? You get 1 pre-set and up to 10 protections. Then you would likely buy more presets - and each would be expensive.

I agree with you there - I mostly play medium hull, and hate it getting one-shotted before moving 5 m. In the end it's not a modules issue - it's the fact they've boosted Shaft damage so much. Who cares about more recharge time - DPM means nothing in long run. Campers are patient and will trade off more shots that just wound for fewer shots that kill. it's not the amount of damage you do over time, it's the number of tanks you can kill.

Or maybe... a DA? Since it counters DD and if enemy is using supplies... why aren't you? ;)

Do not buy any more M1 kits - at W04 they are well past their "due-dates". If you like smoky, MU your smoky/titan toward M2. maybe save for an M2 kit with medium or light hull if you want flexibility - Titan is slow and can be tiresome on the larger maps.

So everyone with < 41% protection from shaft should just give up? How does a Shaft - even an M4 with Assault emitters do 4000 damage? Isn't that 3000 dmg + 25%? (3000 + 750) < 4000...

Happens - see it more in lower to mid ranks than upper ranks. many a battle initially looks even in numbers, but when you look at score and kills/deaths it's obvious one or two tanks is NOT fighting for your team.

You mean like... any DM with 20 players? Avg life-span after spawning is prob 30 seconds...

In your case, if you like wasp m1 a lot, firebird is a better match. wasp is not very stable when being hit, and smoky better on a stable platform.

Have only played Fire at m1 and hammer at m0 so... my input here as user... not so great. I don't think hammer sees as many protections against it though. In the end - play what you have fun with. And yes, hammer currently is a Thunder-killer due to lack of combos for protections. BUT... protection modules are soon to change according to the V-logs.