Yes 15 mins was just right for battles, gave you time to pull a battle round if you fell behind. But i would be more than pleased if they introduced 10 mins as the standard battle time again. They should incorporate a mixture of old updates that have been removed with some of the better new updates they have now, (though they are few) a balanced blend of what we think is just right for TO without impacting the economy so players and devs alike benefit and TO can start to grow in numbers again, instead of the decline it is currently going through.

Have to say i like that map, only because i usually rule the roost and obliterate anything that comes on MY island. And the main reason is...........The Flying cheat is toast on that map, it's the only map it does not dominate on.....I do. Archipelago is a great map for that reason alone. I rule. Flying cheat get pay back.....Big time.

FLYING CHEAT dominates almost every battle they go into. 6v6...... You either get lucky or you don't with the players on your team, same for 8v8. 5 Mins can turn into 2-3 mins if enemy team is dominant from the start, i personally capped all 5 flags in a battle which lasted under 3 mins, wish i had recorded it, but at the start it just looked like another random battle. I new after first cap i was gonna win, it was on my colonel acc. Other team ran off by second cap, think there were 3 left. I now play tdm as often as i can so i don't have to rely on another player, as i can outscore most on both teams. ASSAULT......regardless of which side i'm on.....i leave......it's pants. FLYING CHEAT, i do my very best to kill these legal cheats whenever i can, but it's usually only me that can take them on with any sort of success at the lower ranks, which is not very often. Wasp is now very hard to kill even at the lower ranks, but is a piece of cake compared to the FLYING CHEAT, which seems to last forever under fire even before this nonsense was introduced. The amount of battles that at the end show 6v2 or 6v3 is very common, it's a joke and demonstrates that even after a couple of days this update is just not working. I quit playing on legend acc because FLYING CHEAT just can't be taken on at that level, most encounters end up with them winning. All in all a terrible update which if it continues past the 2 weeks will be THE worst update ever, followed very, very closely by the FLYING CHEAT, then hornets OP overdrive, then by the unbalanced ranking system in battles, then by the ultra, coinboxes, (both scams) and the sky high prices in the shop. There are a lot more i could mention but all have been said before, i just mentioned the ones that imo need addressing the most. This 2 week fiasco benefits 3 types of players only. 1-P2W 2-FLYING CHEAT 3-Combination of the above 2. There is a 4th type of player which i would class myself in, the smart player who does not waste cry on multiple combos, and concentrates solely on his/hers best combo along with protection modules and any drone which you might get. This is the best way to combat the highly unbalanced nature of TO, and at the very least give yourself a fighting chance when you are up against ranks way above you. As always i do my best to write posts with three main features.....COMMON and SENSE.......FACTUAL being the other. not like some of the drivel i see being posted day after day by the magoo followers. For those who don't no magoo (mr) was a cartoon character with very short sighted vision, similar to the devs. One more thing, to address my 4th type of player for those of you who will disagree with it. My MAXED out legend account is at best above average against these FLYING CHEATS, and i would class myself as a good player. Gets me nowhere against the LEGAL CHEAT. I have probs prevailed a few times against them out of countless battles. So what is the point if you have a lower account in getting loads of different combos that will cost you a fortune and will be of no use as you rank unless you are a P2W player who uses the FLYING CHEAT as your main weapon. Answer, none at all. My method has proven correct, for me at least, until i come up against a FLYING CHEAT, then it's as you were and try your best, are just leave the battle.

And it's stun unlike hunters has no delay, which is why it is very hard to out do it with hunters overdrive.

Why is X bad, i mean really, i have explained at least a hundred times why most of the updates in the last year alone are bad. And some things in TO take precedence, ok why did they make the FLYING CHEAT OP in the first place, they new it would be, so why do it. We both no why they did this with not only the FLYING CHEAT, but before that with HORNETS OVERDRIVE. Don't get coy with me mod, remember i'm not one of the little kiddies you can fob off with complete nonsense as to why the devs did this or that etc. One last thing, they shouldn't have to make the FLYING CHEAT better (less op) it shouldn't have been OP from the start, but like i said we both no why they made it OP, cash rules before game balance. You have a nice day now.

Well i for one will not be acquiring the FLYING CHEAT, prefer to kill the noobs instead, although that is not easy especially at the high ranks. I could easily get it and max it out on a fieldmarshal acc i have as it has maxed out crisis, but not going to, just hate this hull as much as hornets overdrive.

Not much more to say about TO, all the pros and cons have been discussed into oblivion. The cons outweigh the pros by a hefty margin and the devs (the magoos) never act on the feedback of the players. Definition of a magoo........He was a cartoon character with short sighted vision. Sums up the devs (magoos) to a T.

On reflection this experiment is no different to the normal MM with the exception of the reduced players and higher HP. You still have campers. You still have inactive players. You still have FLYING CHEATS dominating battles. You still get put in with players who have no idea, so just play tdm whichever mode they are in. In all of this the FLYING CHEAT is the biggest factor, you just can't compete against it.

I will not mention it's ridiculous name, but yes that is what i mean.

My main is now retired until this FLYING CHEAT is either seriously nerfed are scrapped. For one thing at legend rank it is so difficult to keep your rate of fire locked on due to it's wayward manner in how it moves, which in itself is OTT. THE FLYING CHEAT can't be outdone in battle with normal combos, not unless you yourself adopt the same OP COMBO, even then it will only be a contest between the both of you who can dominate the battle with the most caps. TO has hit new lows with this FLYING CHEAT along with this 2 week nonsense, it is just not worth the effort. Laying mines is now null and void to, i saw a wasp shaft go over 2 sets of mines and it survived, now that is impossible. And THE FLYING CHEAT seems to navigate over most of them, maybe setting off a couple which is just pathetic. TO is no longer viable imo as a fun game were it's your skill against the enemies. To many OP updates have ruined it, HORNETS OVERDRIVE FOR MONTHS, FLYING CHEAT, ( the new OP king of battles) and now this experiment, where a wasp can go over at least 4-5 mines and survive, how unbalanced and ridiculous can it get. I doubt the devs will ease off any time soon in their pursuit of making TO as unbalanced as they can, all in the knowledge that by doing so the P2W brigade will continue to take advantage of these updates and continue to out do anyone who can't follow suit. For me it's the FLYING CHEAT that has made up my mind to discontinue my legend account, it's maxed out but has no effect on this OP HULL whatsoever with this 2 wk nonsense which has limited the type of maps you can now join. At best i might win 1 out of every 5 encounters with this LEGAL CHEAT, at worst i waste supplies while this OP CHEAT just tramples over everything it comes up against.

Another raw deal the devs are giving us, very, very low battle points, my xp is at least triple in most battles compared to my score. 50,000 battle points is a joke especially at low ranks, to achieve this i will probs rank at least twice. just not gonna happen. The devs fool a lot of players, usually the young kids and the gullible, 50,000 bp to rank quicker for less rewards, and you use (waste) supplies in the process. Not surprising if you are the type of player who wants to complete these challenges, then you are going to come unstuck the higher you progress in rank if you can't keep up with your garage. Yet again this update is another way to generate cash.

Yet another team running, we went 2-0 up, 4 ran the other 2 were hard to find, except jug which we ganged up on and obliterated, yip nice update if your team does not run off. Quite pathetic really, can't understand those players who say the update is ok, as you can see, yet again i done ok but it really was not worth the batteries and supplies. I'm lucky i have lots of drugs and batteries, but still it's not worth it for the meagre rewards you get even if you come top on winning team. My verdict is still the same......it's pants.

I will bet you 10 tankoins he could get it more wrong....?

Another account, slightly higher, results the same, it's quite clear this will not work. 3 different ranks, 3 useless battles, wasted supplies for little reward. 2 flags capped and half there team left the battle. 3 accounts now parked up for the day quicker than i expected. Especially my main were it was a complete waste of time, sabotage, FLYING CHEATS, and half battles, nice 1 devs, any more bright ideas you wanna share with us.

I expect a life ban for both of them.

Same old same old

My low rank acc, 2nd battle of today, VERDICT.....AS ABOVE. There team ran after we capped 3rd flag so i just went on a killing spree. Personally at these ranks i will do just fine, most will not.

Took my drone off for my first battle, really pleased i did. It put me in battle with half the time over, 1 battle less than 3 mins, VERDICT.. absolute pants. As you can see half their team ran. Really not quite sure what the motives are yet behind this little experiment of the devs, but it's not working, feel sorry for the players that have to put up with this for 2 weeks. Solution.... DO MISSIONS THEN PARK UP FOR REST OF DAY. As you can see their little itty bitty low ranker did really well. I don't think i could get my G/S that low if i tried. Again MM at it's finest. I would not usually post such a naff result, but it highlights after JUST 1 BATTLE how monumentally bad this little test of the devs is. They should scrap it asap.

I can think of several hundred.

Just typical tanki double talk, i wondered that to, why mention turrets then go straight to hornet.

Ok here is a challenge for you. at shin feel free to join in as you are liking everything this mod says. To the best of your knowledge, name every update that has had a beneficial outcome to ALL players, or at the very least that has not been so OP as to change the outcome of most battles, LIKE THE FLYING CHEAT. I will then counter with the ones that were not and even a few that were downright deceitful. I fear you will lose badly in this, but give it your best shot, bearing in mind i will be going back quite a few years if you decide to take up this challenge ON BEHALF OF THE DEVS. F.N--- I am fully aware that the devs need to generate cash in order to keep TO running, i do not have a problem with this and support anything the devs do to keep TO a viable game for years to come. What i do not like is introducing OP hulls, overdrives, etc into TO just to make extra cash from the P2W brigade. There has to be a balance, and as yet the devs are unwilling to even try as the FLYING CHEAT demonstrates. This has now taken over the mantle once dominated by HORNETS OVERDRIVE. And by the way i will complain whenever i feel the need that a complaint is warranted, after all this is the right place to do it, is it not.

You got it right about nerfing vulcan, but wrong about hornet. Hornet unlike vulcan did not get a direct nerf which would have been far easier to do.

As always.

How does covid stop the devs balancing the flying cheat out in line with the rest of the hulls?????????......Didn't stop them making it wayyyyyy OP in the first place , did it. Old saying.....think before you post utter nonsense. You started off really well when you brought up the split in ranks for drones, after that i'm afraid you went down a rather steep hill, more of a mountain really when you think about it.

What do you mean if he says so, you disputing that the flying cheat along with it's overdrive does not do what we say it does in battle, you no it's OP, but like most mods you just grin and nod your head at whatever the devs say.