You seriously need to get away from la la land and have a serious reality check when it comes to TO.

Nice post, i agree with almost everything you said, but, the HP and turrets need to stay the way they were before this dreadful experiment was brought out. The biggest threat to a balanced battle comes from these main talking points. 1 MM-Highly unbalanced. 2 OP equipment-IE; FLYING CHEAT, before that hornets overdrive. 3 Players-Those that no how to play-and those that are complete noobs. 4 Ranks-The rank spread amongst players in battle is at times putting MK5s/MK6s against legends. (the rank-mk-of course also depends on how upgraded they are) 5 Cash-This one is tricky, those with cash gain a big advantage all the way through the ranks. The only way to balance this out is maybe through G/S, meaning the cash driven players play against their peers in battle. Of course some players spend more than others, and the G/S battles could and probably would get abused by players equipping low G/S combos, then changing to their best combo once in a battle. On a side note, the better players being placed together on the same side is probs due in part that these players are friends and form groups. Not much anyone can do about that unless you drop the group size down to two, even then if they are good players they can turn the tide of battle on their own as long as the rest of the team are competent players. TO needs a major overhaul, but unless the devs make a supreme effort it will just carry on as usual, were the minority dominate battles because of their superior equipment, coupled with there undoubted better game play to achieve the win. There are a lot of factors that all have to come together in a battle, i'd say 50% of them are on you as the player, the other 50% is down to the team of randoms you are put in with.

Riddler my old son the devs could introduce a godmode combo just for legends and you would see nothing wrong in that. You are without doubt a genuine 1-off. enjoy tanki riddler and may the force always be with you.

Really think you are missing a fundamental point here. You have it in your garage, you use it on a regular basis,therefore you are endorsing the devs decision to bring this OP hull into game play. Nice 1.

Not saying they don't deserve some reward for doing well. Answer this then, like you said you would rather face 20% than 50%, makes sense, so why do they equip it. And i don't want to hear, they do it because it's 20% against everything, give me another reason why anyone would only want 20% instead of 50%. I no why, it's because they seem to weather any amount of fire directed at them for a unrealistic amount of time. This is a fact i have encountered many times, they are extremely hard to defeat 1 on 1 in battle, even if i have 50% against them i never fancy my chances of killing them before they kill me. And don't even go there about them being way more skilled than me, because even if they were (which they are not) i have 50 they have 20, should be a done deal in my favour, 70% of the time it never works out that way. I consider it a minor triumph if i manage to get the better of any player with a spectrum module on. I've been playing TO for years, i no what i no when it comes to discussing game play in battles.

Well if they truly were esports champions then they had the spectrum hack modules on i take it. And you and the other 2 players should have high tailed it out of dodge at the beginning. i've been there, done that, got the T-shirt. i used to lambast players for deserting their teammates during a battle, not anymore. The way TO is panning out more and more players will leave due to the OP equipment they are facing, be it spectrum modules, OP hulls, turrets, overdrives, huge rank difference in battles etc, etc. Don't give me this last stand nonsense, if you want to get slaughtered in battle that's up to you, and because you use the FLYING CHEAT, i have no sympathy for you whatsoever. You criticise TO in your own way, just like me, but there is a difference, i don't use blatant legal cheats to go into battles. I would rather see every overdrive scrapped, along with drones and any and all alts for both turrets and hulls. Then and only then would you see the true skill of players coming to the fore in battles. Also ditch the challenge, it encourages players to be selfish in battle, usually to the downfall for the rest of the team. There is just to much OP stuff players can equip their tanks with, and those with the cash to obtain this highly OP gear are in the minority, but because of their superior garage they dominate battles and this gives rise to many players just exiting battles even before the halfway point is reached. These are the facts that play out in every single battle i go into in 1 form or another. TO is unbalanced and will remain so when players like you keep on buying their OP equipment to justify the devs bringing it into the game, making sure that they will always be in the money as long as selfish players keep buying their OP hukks, turrets, etc.

Well von old buddy i leave battles all the time now, no way i'm staying in a battle any longer than i have to when the game is so unbalanced. You yourself are using the FLYING CHEAT to benefit (YOU) in battles, so i would hesitate a wild guess that the unbalanced shambles of MM will not affect you as much as others. No better team player than me, but with all these negative updates that have been brought into TO in the last 12 months alone, there is no way i am going up against players who fly from base to base negating most obstacles in their path and usually cap without even bothering to shoot at the enemy, because their OP hull coupled with their OP overdrive does all the work for them. No real skill involved in doing this, with the exception of getting used to handling such a OP hull because of it's ridiculous wayward handling, which indirectly makes it very hard to get any significant damage against them, unless you can corner them and kill them before they have an active overdrive, which will undo all your efforts in a nanosecond as they stun you, burn you, and jump into orbit and make their escape with apparent ease, and then carry on towards your base leaving you in a heap of scrap unable to chase them down. The FLYING CHEAT is just 1 of a long line of unbalanced OP updates the devs have brought into TO. It has taken over the mantle from hornet as being the most OP. Hornet needed it's overdrive to qualify for being a LEGAL CHEAT. The FLYING CHEAT is OP without it's overdrive, but with it, it outstrips hornet by quite a margin and makes it virtually unplayable when you encounter them in battle. You carry on with your FLYING CHEAT, i will never use it and prefer hunting them down and killing them as many times as i can. One last point. How can you blame any player for leaving a battle under the current playing conditions. The devs are to blame for this, and i personally hope more and more players abandon battles that are lost within the first 30 secs/min because of the atrocious unbalanced nature of 75% of battles.

Sorry von but you are arguing a case about the wrong things in TO. To be honest who cares about profile pages, it's what goes on in battles that has most of the issues, unbalanced MM battles, FLYING CHEATS to name 2 of many, many more that need fixing before profile pages. I shake my head in disbelief at some of the posts i read, half of them are complete nonsense, with only a fraction being of any interest that actually depict TO as it really is. I do not doubt you are a intelligent guy, your post does not warrant a head shake, but i think you could devote a lengthy post like this to actually highlighting the real issues with TO.

I don't bother after daily missions are done, no point. The whole of MM needs scrapping and reworked so that it actually WORKS. Of course this will never happen, devs to busy making legal cheats in one form or another. Just watched that Q/A thing, omg what a complete load of utter rubbish. I could only bare 5 mins of it before my brain turned to mush. There was also some bizzare battle going on?? needless to say FLYING CHEAT capped flag with crisis drone on in about 10 secs. Don't blame you for leaving, i do exactly the same until i get the right battle for me. Devs insist on bringing in OP hulls etc into the battle then i just exit, and continue to exit until it's just right. Sad to say this, but i look out for me in battle now, no one else. They want to keep TO unbalanced, no problem, i will use it to my advantage from now on and keep doing what i am doing to benefit from it, and i don't give a jot about anyone else. I now treat any battle as a TDM because i can just about outscore anyone on my team. Only overriding factor is if i get a mission like collect 15 speed boosts, then i just do what i have to then leave, regardless if we are winning or not. Blame the devs for this, high xp, low score, low cry. They do this deliberately so you rank faster with the least amount of cry as they can possibly give you. This is detrimental if you have a low to mid rank account. Devs don't care, they want you to rank quicker, in the hope you buy your way out of trouble when you realise your garage is just not up to the task at the higher ranks you have whizzed through. Hence you @wolverine848 are getting put into battles with legends who have substandard equipment, they may as well be WO3s for all the help they can give you.

Just 1 question for you, would you have done as well if you did not use the FLYING CHEAT. Enjoyed your post by the way, it was well thought out, 6v6 though is pants and CTF at least should be 8v8 and battle time should be 10 mins, although i'm a big fan of the 15 min battles 10 mins is a fair compromise.

Never said to discourage other players once. The devs bring out OP stuff because they no for a fact that it will increase their economy, because players will want it to stay ahead of the game. Now if you do not believe this is so then you are naive, to the point where no matter how much i explain it, your addled head will not be able to comprehend it. Are you no what i am saying is the most likely scenario and choose not to believe it, because like so many, you back the devs up no matter what they say. And if i am way off, why did they leave HORNETS OVERDRIVE so OP for so long, do you by any chance think they just forgot about it. The devs no exactly what they are doing, bring out OP hull/turret/overdrive and players will want it, and buyers will BUY IT. And about the FLYING CHEAT, everybody knows it is OP, including the devs, why have they not brought it in line with the rest of the overdrives/hulls, and to reiterate from my earlier post to you, why bring it out in the first place knowing it is OP. And before you prattle on that they had no idea how overpowered it would be.......YES THEY DID. Like hornets overdrive they knew exactly what they were doing with the FLYING CHEAT. Just another example of their greed overshadowing everything else. And as for test servers, even with only say 3v3 with 1 team being the FLYING CHEATS and the other team a mixture of combos, it would be very obvious within minutes how OP this hull is. Yet they still released it regardless. I'm done explaining to either complete noobs are those unwilling to accept the truth, TO is based on P2W, and as such the devs will continue to bring out OP updates in one form or another to extract as much cash as they can from their p2w players, and tough luck on those players who can't afford to keep up with the minority who revel in the indiscretions of the devs.

LOL you '''//;;;/.,,,,./'''''''/// I forgot about that little noob, yes it is a handful which is why i try to take them out at distance, if not i stay out of there way. Yeah cheers for that reminder ?

Yes, ignore, let's be rational, what else can a titan do to overcome a FLYING CHEAT, NOTHING. All it can do is stave off any damage it might inflict on the way to capping it's 5th and final flag in under 3 mins.

You forgot incendiary band I also have maxed out crisis on one of my accounts to go with it. And on another 2 accounts i have maxed out defender drone Having said all that it does not compare to the FLYING CHEAT. You ever come up against a really good vulcan player you will see how much skill is attached to this turret. Vulcans turret speed is pants, and like @wolverine848 said, it's tracking ability at close range makes it extremely difficult to keep it locked on to a enemy tank. The locking on at close quarters is the skill i'm referring to, you need to be good at this if you attack like i do. It took me awhile to get good at this, but having said that, i still sometimes get in a muddle and lose sight of the enemy. At CQ it's the hardest turret to get used to. You think i'm wrong then equip vulcan in your next battle and try doing what i do. It took a lot of practice, and like i said i don't get it right all the time, because it is hard to maintain, especially with a slippery wasp/hornet that can out turn you at a much faster rate, along with whatever turret they have equipped.

I agree with you on @Maf suggestion. it was a good idea and would have been an acceptable compromise to the OP abilities of hornet. Again agree with titans dome, there are just too many counters to it to make it effective enough in battle, especially at the highest ranks. I disagree about bypassing titans dome though, maybe lessen the effect of it by a percentage, no overdrive should bypass it completely. Titan is slow and cumbersome, so should have a effective overdrive that counters it's lumbering speed and bad maneuverability. It should also counter the FLYING CHEATS stun and heat effect.

No skill in using vulcan, i beg to differ. Now using a FLYING CHEAT to cap a flag because it by passes half the map is my definition of no skill. Your a kid, i get it, kiddies like gimmicks, and bright coloured hulls, and shot effects etc, the FLYING CHEAT is a OP gimmick aimed at the little kiddies and the buyers. Also can't believe you have completed the mine mission, suppose someone has to.

Sigh, i give up.

It's become a chore, there is no enjoyment being constantly out done by OP hulls that can jump onto buildings.

I do exactly the same, i only do to tier 40 then i just forget about the challenge, don't give a hoot about there paints are shot effects etc. Already stopped on the two accounts i play the most, think i'm at tier 30, just not gonna bother, fed up of FLYING CHEAT dominating most battles even though at times they are 3/4 ranks below me with a g/s that is woefully low compared to mine, yet they still dominate, just shows how OP they really are in the majority of battles you see them in.

OMG i need a lie down after reading that. A mod berating the FLYING CHEAT. Nice one @DaringDeer well said, just wish more would side with me and @wolverine848 especially about the OP FLYING CHEAT. TO is becoming more of a chore with each passing update. Far to much emphasis on cash generating gimmicks than on actual regular no nonsense battles. I will reiterate on a few key points then i'm done with posting about every nonsensical update the devs bring in. 1..MM..rank spread in battles is far to great. 2..OVERDRIVES..either rework them are scrap them..DEVS, listen to your adult playerbase and act on our feedback and see a marked enhancement in the game. 3..stop wilfully bringing in OP stuff into gameplay just to generate cash. 4..I personally liked the coinboxes when they FIRST came out, now the rewards are an insult to put it mildly. I bought them regularly but now i just pass on them knowing that out of 30 you will 75% of the time get at least 10/15 1 tankoins which is a complete liberty. 5..The serious players amongst us don't care about XT, ULTRAS, SHOT EFFECTS, etc. Concentrate on actual game enjoyment, get that right ,then bring in your fancy effects. 6..TO is a great game but is rapidly becoming a second rate circus sideshow that is catering to all the kids who are glued to their mobiles 24/7. 7..Eventually you will lose most of your seasoned player base. In order to attract more players that will actually stick it out for years and keep those others, you have got to stop making TO so one sided for the select few. 8..Just act on feedback from players who want TO fair and balanced for most players, we really do no what we are going on about in regards to TO, as we have been playing it for years. 9..We no the economy has to be good in order for TO to survive, don't mind this one bit, just stop ripping us off in an underhanded manner, example..COINBOXES. to name 1 of many. 10..If you continue to ignore the feedback from sensible intelligent players then TO will continue to be a chore, that at best only gets logged into to catch up in the forum, actual game play will be secondary, with only a few battles at best to maybe complete a mission are two, this is exactly what i am doing until TO becomes enjoyable again rather than a grind trying to compete against all the imbalances that you have brought into the game....FLYING CHEAT being the newest and most OP one yet, even surpassing the OP hornet fiasco that lasted for months. ......These are my thoughts on a few of the things that need to be addressed......

Well i for one applaud von for his effort in writing such a long post on what he thinks needs to take place in order for TO to be more enjoyable. But what actually needs to happen is..........well you all pretty much no what i'm gonna say so i'll end it right here.

Wrong no defender drone or crisis on main, just been in a battle, FLYING CHEAT ONLY 38/50 against vulcan, i had 50 against his gauss, but he had that emp alt on, only killed him once and that's because i switched to freeze. FLYING CHEAT IS OP, don't care what you say, and the emp alt for gauss also OP especially with FLYING CHEAT. We lost 4-0, same old same old when FLYING CHEAT is in battle, you will never convince me otherwise. missions done main parked up until next mission. And i was not comparing hornet to the FLYING CHEAT, i was simply stating that poor hornet is no longer king on the battlefield (tough luck) and that the FLYING CHEAT now dominates instead of the once OP hornet with activated overdrive. Next time check out my main properly before saying what i have, always nice to get your facts right. I defend the F2P player more than anyone, and would gladly see overdrives scrapped and drones and OP FLYING CHEATS. What's your take on a fair and balanced TO, EVERYONE KNOWS MINE, and most in the forum no i hate the imbalance between the select few that the devs favour above all else, p2w. Scrap overdrives and get rid of the FLYING CHEAT.

Ranks are pointless now anyway, full MK7 at lieutenant colonel if you have the cash.

Tough luck for hornet i say, your dominance is over, good riddance. FLYING CHEAT has taken over your crown, which sadly is now even more OP than hornets overdrive. Some drones are way better than others in the real world of TO battles, but nothing compares to THE FLYING CHEAT for downright dominance in battles regardless of how good you are if you are unfortunate enough to encounter them, especially at the higher ranks. Overdrives have brought an imbalance to TO more than anything, and until they address this imbalance, the few will always triumph over the many in the majority of battles. MM is anything but what it's description is meant to reflect. It is broken beyond repair and should like overdrives be scrapped in favour of a more balanced update that benefits the many AND NOT the privileged few who can buy their way through the ranks and dominate at every level in TO. I understand the need for a good economy within the game, but it should not be at the expense of the majority of players who get trampled on in most battles they go into by the dominant few . Regardless of your skill levels, as long as you are not a complete non turret turning noob (what is this star above my tank for?) the P2W brigade along with the FLYING CHEAT, the very unbalanced rank system, the imbalance of overdrives over others (all should be scrapped) then your experience in most battles is going to be an uphill struggle. TO is P2W, from the overpriced shop all the way to the FLYING CHEAT, balance is a very distant 2nd best and will remain so for as long as the devs put the economy of the game above actual game play, and do not even try and find a agreeable compromise that will benefit the majority of players, P2W and F2P combined. P2W........buy-battle-kill-repeat.....take a break and ponder if you should top up your 100,000 of each supply, including batteries. F2P.........spend what little cry you have on 10 of each supply, excluding batteries, enter battle, die in 1st 10 secs, steel yourself for revenge, die again, battle time elapsed 30 secs, equip DA on respawn, die again, respawn and rethink your combo and protection modules, die again, change combo, die again, battle time elapsed 1 min 30 secs, go on pause and rethink again, battle time elapsed 2 mins, leave battle minus 1 precious DA. P2W.......decides 100,000 of each supply is taking a risk and goes to his garage, sees he only has 500,000 cry left, starts to panic, thinks it's not nearly enough to replenish dwindling supplies, panic is really setting in now, SPRINTS to shop with wasp crisis combo, buys 10,000,000 cry, hits speed boost on his crisis, just makes it to garage before panic attack overwhelms him completely, replenishes dwindling supplies, needs a pick-me-up after near fatal panic attack, enters battle, kills lots of F2P, repeats every 6 mins.

There is 1 other turret that can 1 shot ANYTHING if you get very lucky and they do not have lifeguard drone equipped. Anyone care to have a think about this one and tell me what combo can do this.