Yes, of course - you don't even have to name the fallacies as long as you explain them well, but doing so could help to secure those marks if you're having a hard time with putting it all into words. Also, shout-out to @MegaPeg for uh... starting the contest before it's even started? Nicely done, haha:

1. Nope. 2. Again, there are a few clues in the topic - the answer is they're the titles, and the arguments are to be presented, as discussed:

No pls, I'm not doing Critical Thinking, although I am doing Pre-U Philosophy which covers overall argument structure (premises and conclusions, types of arguments) but not logic. I've mainly just explored logic and stuff in my spare time... it's probable that some of the questions will be harder than Pre-U Critical Thinking, in any case :P Especially the later questions, which will likely force you to think outside the box, they're by no means textbook and I've done a lot to hide and confuse the logical fallacies xD

just posting again now that I've actually bothered reading the content of this article Wow, you actually did that... someone actually wasted their time reading our chat. That makes my copying over of all those messages feel so much more worthwhile xD

No problem. Fortunately for you it'll be more logic based than anything mathematical, so good luck! :P

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Nope, it's purely based around finding the weaknesses in the arguments that'll be provided. Despite the theme, no actual knowledge of Tanki beyond Vulcan being an in-game weapon is needed.

Those were indeed the prizes on offer. 1st place is typically awarded to the best entry, and there was no single entry distinctly judged to be deservingly superior in comparison with other entries and the judging criteria. Thus, two very good entries which were both awarded 2nd place. If you can see something I can't (e.g. "We promise to give 1st place out"), then do let us know and we'll reverse the decision. Else, please try to understand that we did not promise to give out the 1st place prize.

(contest humour makes slight whistling noise as it flies over your head)

You're welcome! yes they are ok go prove me wrong by taking part

The time has come.

You're allowed to use whatever you like if you think it will help, as long as you ensure your answers are clear. There are questions about arguments that you have to answer, which challenge you.to.find weaknesses and logical errors. Currently, the arguments are not in the topic. This topic will be updated with the arguments once the contest starts.

lol

Note to all - I actually didn't conduct these interviews on purpose k I knew it would motivate these newbies to find the inspiration to come up with this idea. No need to thank me, I know ^_^

I'll do it if you do it :ph34r:

^she says, subtly reserving a post (hint hint)

You're completely correct - but that's not what I'm saying at all. We didn't promise that the prize must be won, and based on the lack of a truly deserving entry, we didn't give. That happens elsewhere, too.

The results are here! And, without further ado... In 1st place and winning 30,000 crystals: firebolt55439, scoring 9/12! Whilst the initial 'cut off' set for the doubled prize fund was 10/12 or higher, I felt this entrant scored highly enough to deserve the doubled prize fund, especially in comparison to other scores and considering the difficulty of the questions. Excellent responses. Got caught out on the last question though (hehe), but apart from that, extremely well done! In 2nd place with a 10,000 crystal reward: @MegaPeg, scoring 6/12! First 4 questions completely right, a correct approach to explaining the fallacy in question 2 that I actually hadn't spotted was identified. One or two of the responses could've been clearer however, and the answer to q5 hinged upon a fallacy which was not correct thanks to a technicality (@MegaPeg: Vulcan users not necessary having more skills --> they still could, in theory, all have all skills). Question 6 was also unfortunately wrong, but good effort overall! And in 3rd place with a 5,000 crystal reward: @rock_extreme1, scoring 5/12! A very good answer to question 5 was put forward with strong reasoning evident; however, other answers were not so strong, unfortunately. Still, a relatively good showing, and one of the earlier entries made, too! 4th-6th place (2,500 crystals each): - @beaku - 5/12 - well structured, some good points made and answers effectively addressed the questions asked - but held back by other logically incorrect answers, unfortunately - - 4/12 - another early entry, nicely done especially at first, but doubted truth of premises towards the end (particularly the IF/THEN statements) instead of answering the questions, with the odd error in reasoning. - @HUGHIY - 4/12 - some good points, however other answers were either logically incorrect or also tended to doubt the truth of premises rather than directly addressing the questions asked (e.g. answer to q6). Correct solutions: To all other entrants - I will be PMing each one of you individually with some specific feedback on your entries. Hope you guys enjoyed the contest!

In no contests run by the newspaper, anywhere on Tanki or anywhere in the world are the chosen winners 'justified' versus all unsuccessful entries. It is completely unreasonable to expect such explanation, as you seem to be doing. If you really want such an explanation, then you could always ask politely rather than using such a tone of expectation, recognising that a judge would be going beyond his/her reasonable obligations to provide such an explanation. Prizes are ​never promised​. If you take the time to think about it, contests run by the newspaper, anywhere on Tanki or anywhere in the world almost always offer prizes but almost never promise all prizes will necessarily be given out. Like many contests, newspaper contests reserve the right to award or not to award prizes based on the standard of entries submitted. As such and with this in mind, the non-awarding of the top prize has taken place a number of times in the past. ​ ​It's up to you guys if you can't help complaining about unreasonable expectations or unjustified assertions that you hold to be valid. Maybe it would be much nicer if we all congratulated the winners on their achievement and shared our opinions in a constructive and respectful way, instead of players always making self-centred and/or unreasonable complaints every time a newspaper contest takes place?

For the last two, you kept the same endings as the originals which doesn't really work since they're part of the original rhyming scheme - try changing those to rhyme with your altered line endings as appropriate. Apart from that, pretty amusing ^_^

Are you a logical genius? Can you pick apart faulty reasoning? Do you have what it takes to prove Vulcan is not noob??? OK well technically, even if you do have what it takes in terms of the last question, that's unfortunately not the task. Hehe. However, what you can do is show that all my amazing arguments for the noob-ness of Vulcan are flawed. Essentially, your task is to find what's wrong with these arguments. Why, you may ask? Well, this is how it'll work... - This contest started at 19:00 UTC on February 23rd, and the topic has been updated with the arguments! Get thinking! - You have one chance to submit your answers to the following logical conundrums. - These answers should be submitted by PMing me. Do NOT post the answers here. - The deadline for this contest is 00:00 UTC on March 1st. - This is a difficult contest - it starts out easy, but then gets very tough towards the end. - Technical rules regarding prizes and the scoring system: Don't worry, you will not have to use technical terms such as logical notation or the specific names of logical fallacies; correctly describing what's wrong with the arguments will be sufficient. Note that the titles of the arguments do not count as part of the arguments themselves. Good luck! N.B. My use of 'logical fallacy' (or logical flaw) in these questions concerns formal logical error - when used, I am not enquiring about the truth of the statements made, but only about whether the argument logically follows. This means that the only question potentially concerning the truth or falsehood of statements made is Question 2 - all others ask about logical issues, not whether any of the statements are true or false. My arguments are also made up of statements (premises), and conclusions inferred from these premises are clearly indicated by a ∴ (literally meaning 'therefore') symbol. Also note that you will do better if you focus on submitting more correct answers than if you focus on answering quickest. Your score will be considered first and foremost - only where two or more entrants get equal scores will the order of submission then mean anything. Whilst this could affect whether you get a prize or not, you definitely need to get some answers correct to have any chance in the first place! Warm up questions (worth 1 point each):. 1. What logical fallacy invalidates this argument? The Ultimate Argument for the Noob-ness of A Vulcan User (What do you Mean it's Logically Fallacious No it Isn't Pls): All noobs are human, Vulcan users are human, ∴ Vulcan users are noobs. 2. What makes this argument inconclusive? The All-New Ultimate Non-Fallacious Non-Animalist Non-Inanimate-Objectist Argument for the Noob-ness of Vulcan Users: All noobs can be correctly described as 'noob', Vulcan users are 'noob', ∴ Vulcan users are noobs. More challenging questions (worth 2 points each): 3. What logical fallacy is present in the structure of this argument? The Argument from GoldRock's Pro Emotions for the Noob-ness of Vulcan Users: Night-Sisters denies that Vulcan users are noobs, GoldRock has chosen to 'cri' in response to this assertion, If Vulcan users are noobs, then GoldRock will always choose to 'cri' (he will 'cri everytiem') at Night-Sisters' ignorance, Not knowing the true extent of Vulcan users' noob-ness, Night-Sisters possesses ignorance on the matter, ∴ Vulcan users are noobs. 4. ...and how about the logical flaw in this deceptively simple one? (Note: there are two possible correct answers, both of which will earn the marks - one is easier to get, but discovering the other will help you with a later question. You can submit either.) The Conclusive Argument as to Why Vulcan Users are not Better Players: Better players necessarily have more skill than worse players, Vulcan users don't necessarily have more skills than worse players, ∴ Vulcan users are not better players. Very difficult questions (worth 3 points each): 5. How is this argument logically flawed (2 points), and how could it be fixed (1 point)? Why, as Worse Players, Vulcan Users Lack Social Skills: If Vulcan users don't necessarily have more skills than worse players, either all players have all skills possible or Vulcan users do not have all skills possible, If all players have all skills possible, then Vulcan users have all skills possible, All players do not have all skills possible, ∴ Vulcan users do not have all skills possible, If Vulcan users do not have all skills possible, then Vulcan users lack skills, Social skills are a type of skills, If Vulcan users lack skills, then they lack skills in all types of skills, ∴ Vulcan users lack social skills. 6. Identify one logical fallacy in this argument and state where it is present (1 point); identify another potential logical fallacy in this argument and state where it is present (1 point); and without removing the final conclusion, which line(s) could be removed to make the argument both potentially logically valid and true (1 point)? GoldRock's Master Argument - Why Vulcan Users Have No Friends: If Vulcan users are noobs, then they are not perfect, If Vulcan users are not perfect, then they lack bonds of mutual affection, Either Vulcan users are noobs or Vulcan users are not noobs, Vulcan users are not perfect, ∴ Vulcan users lack mutual bonds of affection, A friend is defined as a person with whom one has a bond of mutual affection, All Vulcan users who lack bonds of mutual affection have no friends, ∴ Vulcan users have no friends. How this contest came about: I blame Night-Sisters. So, why is this topic open? For discussion, that's why! Feel free to discuss what you think the arguments might be, argue over who amongst you is the best logician, or to suggest possible titles and subjects for future contests in this series.

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That Golden Harpoon looks pro though...

Lies.