Well to be fair I don't think I've used my Freeze module sine it was about 15% - 20%. I swapped to a medium range module a good while ago.Maybe I should try it again. I did look for a Freeze module just this morning. A pair were defending their flag. But that account does not own one. :)

You have your opinion on the maps I have mine. All I am saying at thie early point is: I have seen more improvements than screw-ups. I am even willing to see how the new Massacre plays out. That was my #1 favorite map and it has been completely re-worked. Open your mind to new things. As for you estimation of Striker and Magnum... what nonsense. There is a reason the newest turret in the game has become the single-most over-used turret in the game. And that is not because it if hard to use. It is because it is easy to use easy easy easy, OP OP OP. It is a design disaster. Yah I agree nothing will happen until HTML5 is done. The long-overdue Magnum nerf is not going to happen until then. Yeah the devs need to look at performance from several different angles not just points. Then use shift more often. Why do you NOT use it? When I see a team with several stars above their tanks I almost always see a team that is losing. I call it these the Noob All-Star Games Yes and now it is a new addition to the available maps. I don't see why that is a bad thing.

The first time I played Desert me and my Smoky just got just pounded. So I avoided it for quite awhile. Then I really came to like it. It is especially fun with the Wasp / Vulcan .... Cowabunga! But now it is yet another Magnum heaven. If ther are two on the enemy team *poof* I'm gone. I'm going to have to re-do this poll on the altered maps in a couple weeks.

IMO So far TO has scored more hits than misses with the map updates. If really like marksmanship and a challenge get Striker. It is probably the hardest turret to use well. If all you want to do is blow up enemies without a challenge, get Magnum. It is the easiest turret to use.

Sure grind away. Players grinding do not hurt me. My issue is those games account for 95% of all Pro games. There's at least 5-6 grindathon maps and they dominate the Pro section every time I look. On Black Friday there were a lot of people with Premium passes. I looked at the CP games. there were about 55 games active.. all of them on 3 maps. 40 of them Polygon the rest Noise and Sandbox IIRC. So I will take any improvement in adding diversity I can get.

No one doubts that your opinions are your opinions. The point is, this thread is not about Magnum. Instead of refuting your points here, I merely mention they have already been refuted in the magnum threads.

Read the magnum threads and comment on that turret there. You are not saying anything new that has not already been thoroughly debunked.

Tribute has been improved tremendously. It was one of the lest interesting maps before. Now it offers so many more options. This spot is a design disaster. So glad someone posted an image. I played a CTF game just now. The other team was up 3-0. They had the flag and just camped up there for literally half the entire game. Every firing angle is screened. What the ____ was TO thinking? Get rid of those walls up on that platform. All of them.

I do not think it is a design flaw that tanks can defeat Freeze from time to time at short range. Many more times than not Freeze wins when it gets the jump on you. I used to use a Freeze module but now I figure... I'm dead anyway.

There are about three threads about Magnum, Please keep this thread on-topic. Massacre seems to bounce around the Wasp much more than before. There seem to be a few spots that look less bumpy than others. You'fe going along then the tanks suddenly stops dead like you hit a wall. That happened sometimes on the old Massacre too but it seems like there are more spots like that. I appreciate the rails on Wolfenstein.

Well I am often critical of TO (understatement) but in this case TO deserves praise for working to add an Assault mode.

All maps "need" just one CP. Maps are "better" with more tactical options and requirements. Thinking is good for the soul. You are probably right. I don't know why such players just don't play Sonic or some other platform game. Then they can catch all the dropping shiny things they want. + Just got off a Massacre CP game. Actually two games. Both featured Magnums exactly where you two said.OTOH elimination of the side-to-side ridge means Magnums cannot just lob shells over it while Rails and Shafts sweep the ridgetop clean. Now there will probably be aiming angles at most hiding spots. I wish there were a dozen maps lie Massacre. The uneven terrain makes for a sense of realism. You have tl learn to hide in plain sight. Like actual tanks look for the "hull down" firing spot.

Correcto mundo. I suspect the 2 added CP is rather the point to the changes. With a bit of good luck it will end the Poly CP mindless slaughterfest games. IIRC we Androvosk (sp?) also had new CPs added. It was perplexing that such a large map had 1 CP.

There sure are a lot lot lot more changes than they let on in this announcement.. For good or bad I can'r say yet but not what I expected. My favorite Massacre has been massacred for one.

Daily trio of missions you get is normal level. The weekly bonus reward is tripled.

I never really noticed that more than any other map with alleys. Well except for that tunnel that is hard to traverse without bumping into a wall or those damn boards down there.,

Or White Rose

Haha! Yes smoky/titan w/+impact is has also given me the best results. With Viking the speed does not help as much as the HP and weight. And it is always fun to see foes drive off bridges especially flag-carriers.

Neither one turns the turret. :rolleyes:

SMH at all the com-paints. Is this a combat game of a fashion show? :lol:

Silence is still viable in a decent number of games thanks to the tunnel system. But I always go into that map expecting to see many of those stupid magnums. Lost Temple is horrible for CTF, simply horrible. For CP or TDM I'll play it if I have to complete a mission and nothing else is available. Otherwise fuhgeddabouddit. OTOH I find Bridges to be one of the most fun maps. Smoky on the central mount can wreak havoc on the foe.

Overall probably more good changes than bad. Happiest: Tribute. It needs changes especially in the way the spawns are set relative to the CP poins. Saddest: Massacre. Not only are flat spots added which breaks the charm of that map, IIRC they have changes the flags so it is no longer unique. You'll have to go snag the enemy flag and bring it back just like all other maps. I am afraid my #1 favorite map will be no more. :angry: For a long time now I've thought the 3x has been in place too long now to ever remove it. It does help considerably in Tanki's broken economic system. Now non-buyers can consider a backup hull or turret or module. Funny but Iran is the #1 Most Popular map of all the Basic maps according to this poll. Only 1 dislike. It's an excellent map. It has narrow alleys, it has wide open firing lanes, and it has rooftops for vertical separation. Not too big not too little. I'd say you are in a severe minority with this opinion.

I was just going to make that same point, that you can fire and press DD while the missiles are in flight. You will score DD even though the DD was not active when the missiles launched. For example you try to launch a slavo but do not want to wase a DD in case it does not work. ... hey hey this time the salvo launched. You mash DD as the missile zoom towards the Gold Box mosh pit and rake in the points. So there are two sides to the coin. I do not really see this as anything near a priority for TO to fix... if there really is anything to fix. IMO there is not.

Much better stability not slightly better.

All I ask if you take your thumb off the space bar when there's no target in sight. :P