Ok, first off, stop complaining about people that complain. This is the complaints section, get it?? If you don't have anything constructive to add to this debate / complaints, then why bother whining about those that have legitimate complaints? People do have complaints and thats a good thing, it guides development and allows for a better community overall. Second I'll try this again since you obviously did not read or address anything I wrote, which is fine, but then why post to simply whine rather than debate? You write "Its not my problem if everyone else can't afford no supplies battles." YES it IS your problem. Here is why: I am glad your able to buy whatever you want. Good for you. Do you want to play with yourself? Do you want to play with others? Make a choice. Right now, there are almost NO games of the "no supplies" type mostly because nobody can afford to, or refuses to buy a pass. It is unfair to have to BUY a pass in order to play a clean game without druggers ruining it. If you buy a pass, good for you, I guess that means you also want to play games without druggers, at least some times? Then you should also want to see as many games available as "no-supplies" versions as possible and that would happen only if it costs the same as "regular" games (druggers paradise) I think we should all try to remember that arguing over Tanki Online shows we are passionate and care about the game, while complaining about each other simply shows a lack of respect for each other. Just my 2c.... 1. My point is, the guy who made this topic has obviously forgotten all the good things about Tanki. He only sees the bad. 2. Do not say sarcastic comments about my Harvard education. I work. I think I deserve to be able to go on a forum without people shouting at me for being a buyer. I'm a buyer because I have a comfortable life. I have a high paid job, a wife, a 3-year old daughter. Just because I am young (24) doesn't mean I don't understand what you are saying. Do not comment on my life and education, please. 3. No supplies pass too expensive for everyone but me? Well, DAILY BONUS. You can get one free. I hope this clears up the issue. I just received a free one day pass YAY, the bad news: there was not even a single no-supplies game to play ! That is the problem NO SUPPORT for drugger free games if you must pay. Look, I dont give a sh*t about you or your made up life, none of us care, and you are the one that brought it up. NONE of us care about you personally, if you think we do, your self obssesed. You never address what I post. You just whine and complain without even giving consideration to what is being said. Let me attempt yet again to show you how adults debate: That is your opinion and you are entitled to it, but this thread is about rules or guidelines governing Drugging, not "OOOh so and so whines and complains whaa whaa whaa :cry: This is just you complaining about a person rather than debating the topic. Period. Where did I "shout at you" (or anyone for that matter) for being a buyer??? Also what the h*ll does having a wife, a 3 year old etc have to do with this topic ?? Do you think anyone here cares about that? We don't. You went on this particular thread to whine about the OP and not to comment about the topic, not good manners. If you bring up your Life and Education, it is fair game to comment on then. I read your post in that other thread YOU linked to, and YOU brought up your Harvard Education. How else could anyone know otherwise??? If you bring it up yourself, don't then continue to whine when it is used against you. This is also just you complaining about a person rather than debating the topic. Period. Who ever said this?? Did you even READ anything I posted? It's not about you, the world does not revolve around YOU. It is about druggers ruining the game for many people and we would like SOLUTIONS. One idea is to make the no-supplies games free so it encourages people to make and use those games. Why are you so obsessed with yourself??? I can certainly afford it, as can many others, but we dont because it seems UNFAIR that we must PAY to get a clean game and also because THERE ARE ALMOST NO GAMES AVAILABLE of the type "no-supplies". This is because no one wants to pay for the privilege if there are NO GAMES TO PLAY!!!!! kingeoin14, please try to stick to the effin' topic and stop whining about people and what so and so thinks of me or you or Harvard or whatever. This thread is not "did you hear what so-and-so said in homeroom" The topic is :There needs to be rules or guidelines governing Drugging.... Feel free to comment about the idea of making the pass free or if you have any other relevant ideas.

Ok, first off, stop complaining about people that complain. This is the complaints section, get it?? If you don't have anything constructive to add to this debate / complaints, then why bother whining about those that have legitimate complaints? People do have complaints and thats a good thing, it guides development and allows for a better community overall. Second I'll try this again since you obviously did not read or address anything I wrote, which is fine, but then why post to simply whine rather than debate? You write "Its not my problem if everyone else can't afford no supplies battles." YES it IS your problem. Here is why: I am glad your able to buy whatever you want. Good for you. Do you want to play with yourself? Do you want to play with others? Make a choice. Right now, there are almost NO games of the "no supplies" type mostly because nobody can afford to, or refuses to buy a pass. It is unfair to have to BUY a pass in order to play a clean game without druggers ruining it. If you buy a pass, good for you, I guess that means you also want to play games without druggers, at least some times? Then you should also want to see as many games available as "no-supplies" versions as possible and that would happen only if it costs the same as "regular" games (druggers paradise) I think we should all try to remember that arguing over Tanki Online shows we are passionate and care about the game, while complaining about each other simply shows a lack of respect for each other. Just my 2c....

Ok, thats a fair point :) , but please realize that when everyone uses drugs ALL THE TIME it takes away the strategy of the games. The answer to constant druggers is not more drugs but rather more CHOICE of style of game. In other words, if there is a large number of players that want to play with skill and strategy, rather than dumb brute force drugging where the m3 Titan force will always win, then we should have a FREE way to play no-supplies games. Right now, there is an unfair cost to do that and it keeps everyone who hates druggers away. There are those that like drugging, and those that do not. Both should be given some respect. It is about two completely different style of game but unless Tanki Online wants lose a great many players, there should be a way to play either way without penalty or cost on one over the other. Otherwise the game will devolve (it already has) into nothing more than a boring bunch of players running around pressing 1234 1234 without thinking, or developing any skill. There tons of games we can play, and more than enough dumb blind shooters that have no soul. Tanki Online is and should remain above that kind of low level thinking.

I'd like to add this because it's relevant - I just received a free 1 day no-supplies pass to play in games without druggers! Yay! But wait... after logging on, there was not even a single no-supplies game available to play on. That's the problem, really. Why would anyone BUY a pass only to then have no games to join? If the pass was free, there would be more games and everyone could choose the style of play that suits them.

Well, it's a dup topic, and you are also commenting here as well. Others including myself, agree with many of the complaints about how unbalanced the game has gotten regarding constant drug use. There are all kinds of scams going on that allow people to get drugs and stuff by clicking ads, filling out surveys etc etc etc. The "no-supplies" battles cost when they should be free. What is the harm in letting us players that believe in skill over lame druggers play in the same way as others?? To force people to buy passes if they dont want to be exposed to people who buy or scam their way to huge stockpiles of drugs sucks. Period. I love all the "buy a no-supplies " pass people who can't comprehend the fact that besides the COST (without reason) there are almost NO battles to join, and since so few BUY the pass, setting up a battle and waiting for the FEW people who do give up and buy a pass takes forever. I also read that link you posted and had to laugh. :D Let me see if I understand your logic... Someone posts a complaint in the Complaints section to discuss the overuse of drugs, and you take time to complain about the complaint all while calling him a whiner??? Wow, that Harvard education has really paid off, eh?? Perhaps you can still get a refund, maybe in crystals or drugs? :lol: Bwaaa ha ha ha Seriously tho, I know what you mean about drugs being part of the game. I use drugs too, when it has to be done. The problem I see, is that there is a cost to play a good "clean" game with skill, rather than deal with all kinds of stupid, annoying people, who use drugs all the time. (many of whom get drugs in various ways) The balance of the game is at stake here, not personal preference. If a handful of top players (or unskilled players with a credit card they stole from mommy) band together and decide to just drug up with m3 everything, they TOTALLY unbalance the game. The only solution is the no battles pass (which is a good idea) that costs the player that just wants fairness, and also happens to have almost NO games / player base supporting it. :roll: Who will spend 500 EARNED crystals on a pass to play when I only ever see 1 or 2 matches going on at any given time???

Great analysis. I was thinking the same thing. There are very few games and many times I see like 3 people in a game waiting to see if anyone else will show up. NOT fun. I got a free gifted no-supplies pass once and it was lame because of the lack of people playing no-supplies games. It really should be free. I guess the fact that the free games are full of druggers, it means druggers are lame, non-elite, commoners while those that play "clean" are the elite :P I'd like to add that drugging is getting out of control. I mean I just watched a Fort II CTF game that was for 8 flags and the idiots started drugging right off the bat. It was over really quick, many just left, and the fund was like 50 or less. Great. Drugging that leads to short matches means less crystals for everyone. I wont even join a long match because it will just be stolen at the end by druggers who wait till the end to jump in and steal the game.

I'll throw my opinion in as well, I agree with all those that are sick and tired of lame *ss losers who drug their way to victory. There is a time and place for drugging, but its out of control. If drugs are so "cool" then make those that want to drug pay for the privilege. Of course, since the games you can drug in are free, and the no drugging games cost it must mean drugging is lame :twisted: As anyone can see, people that would spend real money on Tanki are no longer supporting it because of the drugging. Obviously someone decided that if drugging was annoying, everyone will go out and BUY more drugs and Tanki will get some money. WRONG. It drives people away. I wont even waste my time with long games anymore since you cant trust them and clans will simply steal the fund. There are all kinds of scams and other ways to gain crystals besides buying them and then use them to buy large amounts of drugs, which can be used to steal big games and do it over and over etc etc. Another annoying side effect is that there are so many clueless players out there that start a CTF game and then immediately start drugging 1234 all game. Those that do that are too dumb to deal with. They dont even understand the fact that drugging your way to a quick win in CTF means smaller fund which means less crystals for EVERYONE. Idiots. Here is an idea: (would not fix all the problems, but hey, I think its a cool idea) Every tanki player should have a "drug test" number next to their name. It should be a number that indicates how often the person drugs. 0 = clean, 100 = all the time. Then we could all see who the druggers are and avoid them when possible. (and shame them without mercy :P )

YEAH thats exactly my point. The difference between 7.5 and 10 is 25% !! It SHOULD be way faster and yet it doesnt look like it to me after having m1 m2 and now m3. The speed gains of all the other hornets was noticeable but after running the m3 hornet a while, it feels slower than it should. How is a person supposed to know if their speed is right? I only say it from my own experiences. 25% is a ton faster on paper, it should be that way in the real game and mine feels slow. Have you ever tired ZVFC testing tool? If you add to hornert like more 5 kph and add to it nitro its uncontrollable....and 25% is fast enough.. btw m2 viking to m3 there 1 kph which doing big change Hmm, interesting DaSpamer. I never heard of ZVFC testing tool. Where can I get more info about it? :mrgreen:

YEAH thats exactly my point. The difference between 7.5 and 10 is 25% !! It SHOULD be way faster and yet it doesnt look like it to me after having m1 m2 and now m3. The speed gains of all the other hornets was noticeable but after running the m3 hornet a while, it feels slower than it should. How is a person supposed to know if their speed is right? I only say it from my own experiences. 25% is a ton faster on paper, it should be that way in the real game and mine feels slow.

I have a Hornet M3 and while it is supposed to be the fastest tank you can get, I notice it seems way way too slow. There is no way it is a 10 when I see Vikings out there that are almost as fast as me. How are we supposed to know if the tank is actually an M3??? I mean, the next fastest tank out there should be 20% slower and should be VERY noticeable. I earned the crystals over many months to upgrade to m3 hornet and now I feel cheated since I see Vikings and such (not using Nox) able to keep up with me. The whole point of getting m3 hornet was to be a speed demon vs a slow but strong tank. I think someone either has boosted the Viking to faster than spec or lowered the hornet speed for some reason, and that sucks.

I had problems last few days, but all seems good today for me. It may have been a problem with one of the backbone providers.

There has been way more lag recently. Regardless of what Pin4er163 says, it certainly IS Tanki servers. (or their host) I mean to sit and just blame the whole world, and to say stuff like "90 % of players have weak or buggy computers." is just a troll like insult to everyone who has these issues. Perhaps instead of telling everyone its THEIR fault, consider the fact that people from ALL over have these issues , Mac , PC, Europe, UK, USA, etc. Firefox, Safari, Chrome, no difference. It seems easy to understand. It is the way Tanki handles (or DOESNT) people who have high pings to the server. The server has to try and balance time so that a person with very little latency doesnt get an advantage over someone with a large latency. Eventually, if the spread gets too large, the server chokes and everyone suffers as it tries to recover :(. The disconnects however must be due to bad connections or plain server overload, and blaming the world makes no sense. With 1000 pipes into 1 pipe, I hope Tanki is on a stable and LARGE pipe. When I traceroute, my latency is tiny from Chicago until I hit the Netherlands, then it goes up a little bit, and again in Russia, it goes up a little bit, but the pings are respectable by gaming standards. Therefore, it is NOT my connection that gives my the lags, PLUS the fact that if it was just me, then everyone else in a game would not be affected. Here is a solution I brought up before. CO-LOCATE Decentralize the servers so they are located in different locations and route people to the appropriate server based on the ping they have to the various locations. Have a server in USA, UK, EU, Russia, etc rather than directing all worldwide traffic into one hole. The internet is not about central services, quite the opposite. Plus, if you did that, times are localized and traffic shaping works better. Of course its easier to blame everyone else :roll: This trace shows I have no lag, but I just left 3 games in a row that stalled due to horrible lag and frozen games.

Let me guess... price of f22 costs $100 and is cheep? :lol: :lol: everyone in world can afford its technical support... :mrgreen: Seriously though, I have to admit you are right about this, the T-50 will own everything, even US planes. The J-20 might be dangerous, but I think its got some similarities with the T-50 doesnt it? I mean that su-35 is almost twice cheaper than f-22. It's to expensive to produce and support F-22. You are right about that, and the US also has the disaster of a plane f-35 that costs even more and is garbage. Su-35 seems like the AK-47 of planes, affordable and available and effective as well.

Let me guess... price of f22 costs $100 and is cheep? :lol: :lol: everyone in world can afford its technical support... :mrgreen: Seriously though, I have to admit you are right about this, the T-50 will own everything, even US planes. The J-20 might be dangerous, but I think its got some similarities with the T-50 doesnt it?

Thats right, how can someone make money using an Ad based model? There is only 6.4 BILLION dollars a quarter ( 25 billion a year) being made in online advertising, why should Tanki consider that kind of an idea. :roll: http://www.joystickdivision.com/2009/10/microsoft_massive_in_game_advertising_growth.php

I agree, to a point. I could care less if Zeevex makes any money, but I would like getting free/ cheaper crystals. ShadowBugz makes a great point though, most people feel this way I bet. Since Zeevex makes money using Ads, and then can afford to lure you in using crystals etc, why not skip the middle man and have Tanki stop charging for crystals, make it earn only, lower some of the requirements so people could actually EARN to top tiered upgrades, and make money by embedding Ads in game on billboards or in battle list etc. ?

True Well, some beat a good pilot :lol: :twisted: :lol:

Actually, I gotta say the T-50 and the J-20 are both better than F-22 or F-35 from what I have read.

With the exception of really high levels I know some who drug right away because they have so much drugs and they want the whole world in tanki online to realize they are da chump There corrected it for you ;) Druggies suck, buying drugs tells the world you have no skillz! Plus you missed my point all together, drugging up early in a ctf makes the game go fast with the battle fund staying low, hence everyone is robbed of a good game and lots of crystals. Too bad people just cant understand this simple point.

Ok, I'll bite :)

I don't hate drugs or druggers per say, I hate noobs and idiots that just don't GET it! You know, people like "ruslan 9999" who jump in a 30 flag CTF game and just start pressing 1234 all game right away, while the battle fund is still like 17. I mean what is the effing point? Once the game is within reach, or the fund is really big, I understand drugs and it is part of the game after all, but those who drug up right away, do no one favors, not even themselves and have no skill. When that happens, just leave. Then they will be speeding around using up their stock of drugs and gaining NO crystals :) Noob Moves = No Friends

I don't drug until the other team does. I am not against pick ups, but triple drugging is for weak players who have no skillz! Also when some ***** starts off a CTF game by drugging up right away, it just shows how much of a dumb noob they are. When the game starts, the battle fund is at 0, the longer the game, the bigger the fund, and hence, the better the payout for the winning team. If you just run around like an ***** child grabbing the flag and capping it when the fund is small, no one wins. I see lots of "geniuses" playing CTF and drugging right off the bat and its getting pointless to play with these types. :roll: Drugging should be left for when the fund is high, lots at stake, or game about to end by time, imho Just my 2c

I have a question: Is this one thread to rule them all?? 8) :lol: 8)